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    2. ForTheGloryOfAmn on

      Spain still not at 2% of GDP for its Defence budget. But there is progress at least.

    3. goldstarflag on

      *Then why was Spain the last European country to fulfill the 2% Nato agreement?*

      Because spending is not the issue. What Europe needs is integration. More fragmented spending delivers no security and reinforces the dependency on the US. It is a waste of money. In fact, it makes the situation even worse and more fragmented. Which is why Trump is pushing it. 

      [How the US kept Europe’s armies small and fragmented – on purpose](https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeanFederalists/comments/1qepvgp/how_the_us_kept_europes_armies_small_and/) 

    4. _VliegendeHollander_ on

      If all of Europe cuts defense spending to the Spanish percentage, it will surely work.

    5. hard-scaling on

      Spain should spend more on defence before having opinions on it

    7. vasilispp on

      Sure,we just need a federal Europe with a single finance ministry, no big deal…

    8. FantasticQuartet on

      It can start with a team of consistent defence spenders like Spain, Ireland, Austria and Luxembourg. If these countries are willing to set the example of burdening themselves with high defence spending, they can entice other EU countries to join.

    10. Silver-Internet-5561 on

      Spain is the last county to be asking that as it is someone that doesn’t invest minimum required in it’s own army even under NATO comitment pressure 🫣🫣

    12. esmifra on

      The amount of bots or people easily manipulated by the budget spending by GDP republican narrative in this thread is insane

    13. Hellstorm901 on

      We don’t need an EU army, we need countries building more weapons and training more troops especially to fill in for shortcoming. You don’t need to have a full army that can do everything, if you don’t have the budget for it just build the things you can build and if you don’t have enough manpower available to train then train what troops you have to be specialists

      The whole idea of NATO and using similar enough equipment is that we can share. If one country makes plenty of rifles and one country lacks them then there’s no reason the country can’t loan out the rifles especially in a war, same with tanks and aircraft

    14. Jedibeeftrix on

      Narrator: “Spain, which refuses to invest in its military to meet its treaty commitments to collective defence… would quite like someone else to invest in military capability on its behalf!”

      I see.

    16. Prestigious-Way9151 on

      If we’d centralize weapon purchases and buy from Europe, we would save a lot and create jobs in Europe.

    17. WorldTraveler_1 on

      Maybe Spain should spend some money on theirs before lecturing Europe about armies.

    18. Affectionate-Long514 on

      Will they keep using Israeli gear and defense systems?

    20. Snoo_64233 on

      Western European countries deploying their own armies by tens of thousands to Baltics states for the “good of Europe defense” any day now

    21. Auspectress on

      I fear we may get what Czechs and Hungarians got during soviet times when suddenly “united communtern” decided to “stabilise” nations by forcing us Poles to invade. Or how it almost happened in 80’s. Too much risk involved

    22. NPultra on

      Won’t work, France, UK and Germany will be taken over by Pro-Trump and Pro-Putin parties in the coming two years that will backstab Ukraine.

    23. CucumberBoy00 on

      Need to get off U.S propaganda before we can talk about this

    24. curialbellic on

      An EU army to defend EU interests? Yes

      An EU army to defend USA interests? No, thanks

    25. West_Application_760 on

      I think we all should be supporting each other instead of attacking any particular member. Rules should be made and if funds are used incorrectly, strong sanctions should be delivered. Right now european rules arent binding which is the mistake. Whether you agree with me or not, let’s simply try to be supportive of each other and focus on the matter we are discussing to ensure the future cooperation of the union and friendship among its states.

    26. Zestyclose-Gift73 on

      There’s been talk about forming an EU army for a while. If the EU should compete on a regional and global scale it needs a tool that will work with its diplomatic aims – after all what is an army but a diplomatic tool.

      I don’t think an EU army should replace national armies from the get go, there are too many national interests standing in the way.

      The first target for any EU armed would be:
      – Enable cooperation and communication between national militaries in terms of defending the union’s margins. Nations in the unions hinterland should provide for the defense of its outer regions, as an alternative to NATO.
      – Establish a unified procurement system for large defense projects.
      – Create a unified command that can work with the various national militaries.

      This command structure and cooperation can later grow to establish a unified military that will work with national militaries rather than replace them.

    27. FriendTraditional519 on

      Is the president a comedian?

      Because last month he did gave 50k illegals a passport or is planning it…..

    28. goldstarflag on

      All surveys show that EU citizens want a European Army. It’s the only way for Europeans to become sovereign. More fragmented spending will just result in more of the same. It’s an insult to the taxpayer. 

    29. wrghf on

      Why don’t these counties/leaders actually come up with some proposals for how exactly that is going to work and what it is going to look like in practice? It’s so easy to say “we need an EU army” in a vacuum.

      The very idea faces monumental challenges like:

      1. How is it going to be financed?
      2. Will there be any form of conscription considering a number of EU countries have conscription on the books?
      3. What will the working language be?
      4. Will the troops and equipment involved ultimately remain under the control of the individual member states?
      5. What are the training standards and how are they going to be agreed between all of the member states?
      6. What is going to happen to countries that have an opt-out for mutual defence like Ireland/Denmark, or countries that are too small to materially contribute otherwise like Malta, Luxembourg or Cyprus?

      And so many more questions besides.

      I disagree with the idea that we must have an EU army anyway, and it remains pretty easy to keep that opinion so long as no-one is actually proposing any clear solutions.

    31. Inevitable-Push-8061 on

      Europe should have a army but it should include Turkey and UK too for strategical reasons.

    32. Andreyuss on

      Senza uno stato un esercito non può esistere e non mi risulta che l’Europa sia uno stato

    33. n0taf1n4nc14l4dv1c3 on

      The Us ask us for money while is starting wars that are hurting Europe mostly, those right wing European countries are serves of the Us.
      Nobody with a QI over 60 will consider the actual US administration friend of Europeans. So yes, Europe should start producing our own weapons and split from this toxic relationship with the Us.

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