Notizie dalla Germania: gli adulti senza figli pagheranno di più per l’assistenza agli anziani
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-news-childfree-adults-to-pay-more-for-elder-care/live-77292208
di melancholy_dood
Notizie dalla Germania: gli adulti senza figli pagheranno di più per l’assistenza agli anziani
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-news-childfree-adults-to-pay-more-for-elder-care/live-77292208
di melancholy_dood
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From the article:
*“Childfree adults to pay more in elder care contributions — report According to a report from German media group RND, federal Health Minister Nina Warken has prepared a draft bill that would have adults without children pay a higher percentage of taxes towards publicly-funded elder care.”*
*“The bill would have contributions from childfree adults increase by 0.7% over a period of years, meaning they would pay 2.5% of their income each month. Their employer will be expected to pay 1.8%. For adults with children the rates will remain the same: 1.8% for people with one child, 1.55% for people with two children, and 1.3% for people with three or more children.”*
*“Under the proposal, all adults over the age of 23 who are working full-time would be affected.”*
*“It is unclear when Warken, a member of Chancellor Friedrich Merz’s center-right Christian Democrats (CDU), will submit the draft to the cabinet. Her ministry had originally said it would present a proposal for elder care reform in mid-May. With a long-stagnating birthrate mildly buoyed by immigration, Germany needs to act fast to make sure older generations can be taken care of without placing an undue burden on young people.”*
Yes, more taxes, what else can bureaucrats suggest. Germany is going downhill.
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
Could I have Merz fly to me in his private plane to give me this news? Too much to ask?
/s
What about childless people?
What the actual fuck
What about people whose kid died and they were too old to have another? What about the childless?
Fuck everything about this. What about adults that simply can’t have kids for medical reasons?
Conservatives destroying everything and beating people with the stick, because it worked so well to get them motivated. Every day I hate this country more. If leaving wasn’t more expensive than staying, I would have already left. Fuck these people and fuck everyone who voted for & supports this vile CDU government.
Taxing the rich? Nope. Taxing people who cannot afford to have a child. Nowadays politicians are pathetic. No matter of their country.
Great, make living impossible for young people then tax the heck out of them to fund care for those that had all the opportunities in the world. Got it!
Merz doing everything he can to secure 70% for the AfD in the next elections
Taxes for those who were not blessed?
We tried and children did not come.
Old Germans who voted for Merz dont use Reddit.
Imagine if you had a miscarriage or lost a child. Too bad, you’ll get taxed as you’re childless now.
Always dictating by extra taxes for ordinary people, never tax breaks.
This is straight discriminatory and an attempt to continue with their Ponzi Scheme social security system.
A person, on average, should be paying taxes when they work to cover their student and retired periods. So it shouldn’t matter whether they have kids or not.
Fix your Ponzi and don’t dare to charge current working generation more than you already did please.
Adults meaning everyone above 23. Except virtually no one has kids in their early/mid 20s. So it’s just another extra “tax” for young people.
Somehow this is the fault of the left so you should vote the afd in.
Fucking christ Germany,
So, tax people who can’t afford a house or children to care for the people who caused them to be not able to afford a house or children?
can’t afford housing -> can’t afford children -> pay more for elder care 😀
great prospects for young people 😀
Or you know, tax the rich and take their money so no one needs to burden themselves more, but no let them be fucking assholes
I would be fine with a measure like this if these same old people weren’t the same ones wrecking things and giving up their wealth shares via vote for the elites for the past few decades, making young people having a decent chance at actual success a living hell.
If you properly tax the wealthy (no fancy loopholes or technicalities) you have a thriving society, since the money circulates between wealth brackets. **If you willingly give up your wealth to the hoarding class in hopes they are actually decent enough to give some back into society through nothing but their good will (the “trickle down” myth),** ***you are one damn brainless and gullible buffoon.***
At some point someone will have to be accountable to all this lending and passing the hot potato down to the next schmuck. And it won’t be them.
I think Merz and his inner circle are just trying to see how low they can get his approval rating at this point.
I mean, it’s incredibly difficult to adopt a child in Germany, so the child free surcharge is basically just kicking infertile people who want kids when they’re already down. I mean, there’s lots of reasons people don’t have kids, but a lot of people do want them and just are not able to for a variety of reasons.
And it’s not like you get back the surcharge you paid before you had your kids if you do end up having them. So if you start working at 22 but don’t have kids until 32, they’re charging you extra those 10 years supposedly because you’ll need extra care when you’re older, but then you have a kid which “proves” to them that somebody will take care of you when you’re older, so logically you should get that extra money back once you have a kid. But that’s not how it works because it would be very complicated and they just want to get more money and have people make babies right away. It does seem to be veering a little too close to the US government saying recently that there aren’t enough teen pregnancies anymore.
Well this is not going to help the birthrate
My dad is an asshole and so I’m not going to lift a finger for him. Why should he get cheaper eldercare because he had two kids that he abused? In contrast, my surgeon fucked up my appendectomy when I was 10 and I had to have several corrective surgeries that left me unable to conceive. But most of my work has been as a caregiver specializing in the care of people with Alzheimer’s Disease. It’s low-paid work that is extremely pro-social. Why should I have to pay more when I’m old? There are a million reasons who this is bullshit.
Hitler: I will give you an interest free loan when you marry and forgive 25% of it for each child you have to encourage you to start a family.
Merz: I will tax you if you are childless to encourage you to start a family you already can’t afford.
Similar to lifting the two-child benefit cap in the UK where it disproportionally punished native Brits, this policy will also disproportionally punish native Germans. Our governments hate us, it’s as simple as that.
So just have kids you can’t afford and claim welfare? Got it.
If my kid dies, will I have to pay more?
i’m sure that will go down well with people who desperately want a child but physically can’t. are they insane?
So, you are no longer working and paying taxes to have it easier when you’re old…your children are paying taxes ao you can have it easier when you’re old. The typical kicking the can down the road. Fixes nothing, adds pressure on future generations.
What in the fuck
They aren’t stupid. They know what they are doing. It’s exactly what it feels like. You are getting punished for not producing future taxpayers
How is that not discriminatory?
Yeah fuck Germany, keep stealing from people and then punish them for the results of your behavior. The country has no future for anyone productive who earns income vs parasites
Childfree people have paid more for a long time, people with children pay 3.6%, people without children pay 4.2%. The proposal is to increase it to 4.3% for someone with 3000 brutto this means an increase of 3 euros per month. 3 Euros!
This’ll be fun in the courts as pretty easy to argue discrimination.
It ignores circumstances as to why people may not have children such as medical, social and financial.
Has the hallmarks of someone wanting to make a problem someone elses.
Fuck that. I’d riot if they do this in the UK. Compared to a family with children I make very few demands on the state. I don’t grumble about taxes – and I benefit from living in a country where kids are healthy and educated (ish) – but I’m not paying more than my fair share just because I don’t have children.
And childless people already often carry a heavier burden when it comes to caring for elderly relatives compared to siblings with kids.
Just because you have children, doesn’t mean those children are in Germany contributing to the social system. This is utter wank, just raise the amount for everyone equally.
This would fall under discrimination, right?
So instead of trying to incentivise people to have children, we just punish people for not having them. Brilliant
Tax the poor people who can’t afford children or house instead of the billionaires, governments around the world are fucked up and in the pockets of the ultra rich
What if I am infertile?
Shouldn’t it be offset by the education system taxes childfree people pay but don’t send children through?
Ah good, this will solve the affordability crisis plaguing younger people in Europe’s largest economy
Surely this won’t backfire in any way
Surely
What’s that random woman? You would have liked to have a family with kids etc but you’re biology not able to? Well fuck you and here’s an extra fuck you.
(Maybe it was the man but his sperm can be replaced).
I wonder what happens to someone who miscarries or whose child dies soon after birth? How long does the baby have to live in order to matter for this?