I fully support Ukraine in the defence of their nation and believe the EU and others should support them, but that doesn’t mean opening up EU membership to a country which currently couldn’t meet the criteria.
RealFatPenguin on
Nothing, why? What does Ukraine bring to the table?
LittleSchwein1234 on
What else should be offered?
There are criteria that have to be fulfilled to join the EU.
Wyciorek on
Standard route. Negotiations, meeting of various criteria, alignment of laws, etc. Sounds hard, but it will benefit Ukraine as much as EU. It will be worth it.
Own_Kaleidoscope1287 on
Quite simply nothing. If they dont manage to meet the criteria they wont get in and if this never happens they should never join. Ukraine as a country is already fucked for the next few decades no matter how this war will end and will be a burden for the rest of the EU.
namitynamenamey on
It should offer consistent support for an eventual membership, and a defense pact.
arkhamius on
As other stated – nothing. They need to fight their corruption, obey our laws, and so on.
restore_democracy on
A 30-day free trial that requires a credit card?
ElectronicHold7325 on
Nothing. Without abolishment of veto rights enlargment of EU is suicide.
Has nothing to do with the Ukraine.
Mezzoski on
Are they really in position to be picky?
Or maybe they are. Just received nearly 100 bln EUR…
machine4891 on
Post-war guarantees and assurances to invest both money and know-how in order to fast track Ukraine into a country that meets the entry criteria. They deserve their chance asap, however it should not be done by bypassing primary requirements. So this would give them a shot to in a reasonable time frame not decades, but it’s still their shot to make.
HeavyPriority6197 on
The Western Balkan countries are basically pleading the EU to allow them to access the Schengen and the Single Market without the veto, without commissioners, and hell, not even the funds. Ukraine, meanwhile, IN A MUCH WORSE SITUATION, refuses associate membership?
They’re nuts istg
wishmob3000 on
Have some talks, take a break, and offer it again. You can not expect 100% rational decisions 100% of the time from people who are fighting for their lives in a war they didn’t start. So chill and hold the door open.
Incorrigible_Gaymer on
Nothing.
In this case we will just wait untill they meet conditions, like any other aspiring country.
If you are offered special treatment, beeing greedy is the best way to lose the offer.
takibumbum on
We should counter-offer a “Bye”. We’ve given millions to one of the most, if not THE most corrupt country in Europe. All in the name of “protecting Europe from a Russian invasion”.
Ukraine needs help and I’m all for that, but that doesn’t mean they get a quick-pass into the EU. Ukraine needs a major reform in order for it to even be close to a membership request into the EU.
ukrokit2 on
Military partnership. Maybe help with rebuilding and fighting corruption and meeting the proper ascension criteria. But the EU is already a mess and adding another mess to an existing one is a bad idea.
chrisosv on
I wish for Ukraine to become a full EU member state, but Ukraine must meet the same criteria as any other prospecting country.
There can be no leeway, especially not in terms of corruption tolerance. The corruption has to end!
Zashkarn on
They were offered a special status and rejected it so now they will go through the same process as every other candidate
mantis_in_a_hill on
Nothing. The fact that they’re in a war is not a get into the EU for free card. The EU has standards and the EU has criterias. Untill those are met Ukraine can’t join the EU.
FriendlyStory7 on
Ukraine should fulfill the EU criteria and apply or get invited.
GRRA-1 on
I fully support Ukraine. At the same time, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia have all at some point caused challenges for the EU including in some ways with aiding Ukraine. Seeing how Ukraine handles a few election cycles once they start voting again might be reasonable before handing them a EU veto.
PaleConference406 on
Nothing.
Traumfahrer on
Nothing.
That country is corrupt as hell, as the recent investigations showed.
Again…
chbb on
Nothing
Hopeful_Pilot_3147 on
The Netherlands is already providing enormous support in the form of military equipment, financial aid and the provision of shelter for women, children and men in urgent need of specialist medical care. But supporting yet another impoverished country with a population of 40 million is simply not feasible.
So it’s this or nothing, and even then Ukraine is already receiving far more than other candidate member states.
Moreover, there is also the result of the EU referendum on Ukraine. That clearly states that they would not become members.
Flipadelphia26 on
Nothing. Ukraine has received above and beyond what is possible from the west. Zelensky is being ungrateful.
ChunkyPuding on
Nothing
Curious-Sherbet-9393 on
Nothing
pleba47 on
This clearly isn’t working. Ucraine simply cannot enter EU while on an active conflict, and has a long way ahead to meet the standards needed to even be considered for “standard” membership. This solution, albeit a compromise, would be an unicum given the context, and would set up a precedent
Slow-Cheesecake-9546 on
Nothing. Until they meet the criteria.
LaurestineHUN on
The standard path everyone else took?
lucrac200 on
I think it is a strategic error from Ukraine to reject this option. Full memebership takes decades, just because there is a lot of shit to do, starting with alignment of the legislation, implementation of the legislation, obtaining a yes vote from all the members etc. And this is assuming there are no major problems to be solved, not really the case of Ukraine.
Being half way in is much better than being all way out.
SavageRabbitX on
Mutual defense pact
MediocreControl5277 on
# What should the EU offer instead? Nothing.
Verified_Peryak on
To be fair it’s probablybhard for them to fullfill the criteria now so waiting for the end of the war is probably a good idea, it’s a peble on the road let them time
bestaflex on
That i’m confronting a guy that mugs you is one thing but does not mean i’m marrying you.
Business-Loquat143 on
Lmao.
“I want more money but I don’t want to play by your rules”
Ya, well pick one because were bankrupting ourselves fighting your stupid war
Aggressive-Leader-15 on
It is in the EU’s interest for Ukraine to remain a mercenary soldier. This is a catastrophe for the Ukrainian people.
Wise_Fox_4291 on
Nothing. More support to kick out the Russians once and for all, security guarantees to keep them out, and then once Ukraine fulfills the criteria they may join like anybody else.
UseStrange2382 on
Nothing.
witness_smile on
Okay, then they need to meet all the requirements like everyone else. We should not offer them anything else. I want them in the EU, but if they are only happy with a full membership, then they should also work towards meeting every condition for it. No compromises.
MiserableStomach on
A quote from Godfather II by Michael Corleone would be well placed here, wouldn’t it?
DetectivePrize6978 on
If there is any petition, I will sign.
csaknorrisz on
A big middle finger at this point
dzelectron on
Great manipulation in the headline. Ukraine was given a bad deal to appease ruskies, Ukraine has refused. The “what should EU offer instead?” is not a part of that conversation. EU should not offer anything instead, and Ukraine does not demand anything instead. Ukraine will join EU, with the rights of full membership, after meeting the criteria.
Michael_Schmumacher on
A handbook about the accession requirements and a dictionary with a bookmark at the page for „corruption“.
YahenP on
This is a vile deception and nothing more. As usual, there are no officials in the EU with the balls to either accept Ukraine into the EU or tell it that EU membership is impossible in the coming decades. Instead, for the second decade now, Ukraine has been fed false promises. Who benefits from this? Ukrainians, or perhaps the people of the EU? This is simply cowardice. Cowardice and an inability to call a spade a spade. It’s like a Ukrainian an Russia war that has been going on for years, but the participating countries avoid calling it a war.
Trading_shadows on
The will to get a strong ally, not the leftovers from the table and promises tor fools.
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Nothing until expectations change.
Nothing.
I fully support Ukraine in the defence of their nation and believe the EU and others should support them, but that doesn’t mean opening up EU membership to a country which currently couldn’t meet the criteria.
Nothing, why? What does Ukraine bring to the table?
What else should be offered?
There are criteria that have to be fulfilled to join the EU.
Standard route. Negotiations, meeting of various criteria, alignment of laws, etc. Sounds hard, but it will benefit Ukraine as much as EU. It will be worth it.
Quite simply nothing. If they dont manage to meet the criteria they wont get in and if this never happens they should never join. Ukraine as a country is already fucked for the next few decades no matter how this war will end and will be a burden for the rest of the EU.
It should offer consistent support for an eventual membership, and a defense pact.
As other stated – nothing. They need to fight their corruption, obey our laws, and so on.
A 30-day free trial that requires a credit card?
Nothing. Without abolishment of veto rights enlargment of EU is suicide.
Has nothing to do with the Ukraine.
Are they really in position to be picky?
Or maybe they are. Just received nearly 100 bln EUR…
Post-war guarantees and assurances to invest both money and know-how in order to fast track Ukraine into a country that meets the entry criteria. They deserve their chance asap, however it should not be done by bypassing primary requirements. So this would give them a shot to in a reasonable time frame not decades, but it’s still their shot to make.
The Western Balkan countries are basically pleading the EU to allow them to access the Schengen and the Single Market without the veto, without commissioners, and hell, not even the funds. Ukraine, meanwhile, IN A MUCH WORSE SITUATION, refuses associate membership?
They’re nuts istg
Have some talks, take a break, and offer it again. You can not expect 100% rational decisions 100% of the time from people who are fighting for their lives in a war they didn’t start. So chill and hold the door open.
Nothing.
In this case we will just wait untill they meet conditions, like any other aspiring country.
If you are offered special treatment, beeing greedy is the best way to lose the offer.
We should counter-offer a “Bye”. We’ve given millions to one of the most, if not THE most corrupt country in Europe. All in the name of “protecting Europe from a Russian invasion”.
Ukraine needs help and I’m all for that, but that doesn’t mean they get a quick-pass into the EU. Ukraine needs a major reform in order for it to even be close to a membership request into the EU.
Military partnership. Maybe help with rebuilding and fighting corruption and meeting the proper ascension criteria. But the EU is already a mess and adding another mess to an existing one is a bad idea.
I wish for Ukraine to become a full EU member state, but Ukraine must meet the same criteria as any other prospecting country.
There can be no leeway, especially not in terms of corruption tolerance. The corruption has to end!
They were offered a special status and rejected it so now they will go through the same process as every other candidate
Nothing. The fact that they’re in a war is not a get into the EU for free card. The EU has standards and the EU has criterias. Untill those are met Ukraine can’t join the EU.
Ukraine should fulfill the EU criteria and apply or get invited.
I fully support Ukraine. At the same time, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia have all at some point caused challenges for the EU including in some ways with aiding Ukraine. Seeing how Ukraine handles a few election cycles once they start voting again might be reasonable before handing them a EU veto.
Nothing.
Nothing.
That country is corrupt as hell, as the recent investigations showed.
Again…
Nothing
The Netherlands is already providing enormous support in the form of military equipment, financial aid and the provision of shelter for women, children and men in urgent need of specialist medical care. But supporting yet another impoverished country with a population of 40 million is simply not feasible.
So it’s this or nothing, and even then Ukraine is already receiving far more than other candidate member states.
Moreover, there is also the result of the EU referendum on Ukraine. That clearly states that they would not become members.
Nothing. Ukraine has received above and beyond what is possible from the west. Zelensky is being ungrateful.
Nothing
Nothing
This clearly isn’t working. Ucraine simply cannot enter EU while on an active conflict, and has a long way ahead to meet the standards needed to even be considered for “standard” membership. This solution, albeit a compromise, would be an unicum given the context, and would set up a precedent
Nothing. Until they meet the criteria.
The standard path everyone else took?
I think it is a strategic error from Ukraine to reject this option. Full memebership takes decades, just because there is a lot of shit to do, starting with alignment of the legislation, implementation of the legislation, obtaining a yes vote from all the members etc. And this is assuming there are no major problems to be solved, not really the case of Ukraine.
Being half way in is much better than being all way out.
Mutual defense pact
# What should the EU offer instead? Nothing.
To be fair it’s probablybhard for them to fullfill the criteria now so waiting for the end of the war is probably a good idea, it’s a peble on the road let them time
That i’m confronting a guy that mugs you is one thing but does not mean i’m marrying you.
Lmao.
“I want more money but I don’t want to play by your rules”
Ya, well pick one because were bankrupting ourselves fighting your stupid war
It is in the EU’s interest for Ukraine to remain a mercenary soldier. This is a catastrophe for the Ukrainian people.
Nothing. More support to kick out the Russians once and for all, security guarantees to keep them out, and then once Ukraine fulfills the criteria they may join like anybody else.
Nothing.
Okay, then they need to meet all the requirements like everyone else. We should not offer them anything else. I want them in the EU, but if they are only happy with a full membership, then they should also work towards meeting every condition for it. No compromises.
A quote from Godfather II by Michael Corleone would be well placed here, wouldn’t it?
If there is any petition, I will sign.
A big middle finger at this point
Great manipulation in the headline. Ukraine was given a bad deal to appease ruskies, Ukraine has refused. The “what should EU offer instead?” is not a part of that conversation. EU should not offer anything instead, and Ukraine does not demand anything instead. Ukraine will join EU, with the rights of full membership, after meeting the criteria.
A handbook about the accession requirements and a dictionary with a bookmark at the page for „corruption“.
This is a vile deception and nothing more. As usual, there are no officials in the EU with the balls to either accept Ukraine into the EU or tell it that EU membership is impossible in the coming decades. Instead, for the second decade now, Ukraine has been fed false promises. Who benefits from this? Ukrainians, or perhaps the people of the EU? This is simply cowardice. Cowardice and an inability to call a spade a spade. It’s like a Ukrainian an Russia war that has been going on for years, but the participating countries avoid calling it a war.
The will to get a strong ally, not the leftovers from the table and promises tor fools.