Would be the biggest fumble. How can you fire the drone specialist in a drone war?
RadishIntelligent957 on
I cant help but feel everyone is overreacting a bit (not saying its a great decision by zelensky) but ukraine didnt start innovating because of Fedorov and at this point we dont even know that Fedorov was the direct cause of the recent ukrainian successes. And no one actually knows why he was dismissed.
burtcopaint on
Stop being alarmists.
dunncrew on
“….Who is celebrating?
The first people to celebrate Fedorov’s dismissal were… the Russians. Russian pro-war military bloggers openly wrote that Ukraine’s progress in drone warfare was largely Fedorov’s achievement – and that his departure was excellent news for the Russian army.
“Fedorov was responsible for the digitalization of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the deployment of drones, and even for cutting off Starlink access for the Russian Armed Forces. Therefore, his dismissal will be beneficial for Russia,” wrote the Russian military blog Voyennyi Osvedomitel.”
PleaseBeNiceForOnce on
You cant change the system by enabling the old guard.
RetireWithRyan on
Regardless of the outcome, the reality of this situation is that Zelensky has shown some *terrible* political instincts domestically. No matter Zelensky’s intentions (his opponents would say tacit support of soviet style tactics and procurement corruption, supporters would say preserving an efficient chain of command during wartime), the fact of the matter is that the execution of this decision shows *poor judgement.*
He deeply and fundamentally misjudged the possible reaction to his decision. He moved too quickly and without making his case to the public. He could *easily* have dismissed only Syrskyi, or even both. Instead his approach has eroded confidence in his leadership at a time when Ukraine is still seeking support from abroad for both financing and ballistic missile defense. It’s also reminiscent of the NABU fiasco last year, where he rammed through legislation to defang the corruption bureau right before a scandal broke involving the top echelons of his inner circle.
I’m not sure if he needs better advisors, to stop trusting his gut, or which is worse.
tallalittlebit on
I would urge everyone outside Ukraine and who supports Ukraine to please listen to what Ukrainians and foreigners living here have to say. People are angry and angry for a reason. It is our lives on the line and our people at risk.
Zelenskyy made many good moves. This is a terrible one that risks the lives of soldiers and troubles allies and investors. Please don’t downplay this. Please don’t shout Ukrainians down when they have opinions. This is not normal times. Supporting Ukraine can mean listening to people who want change.
stooneberg on
You know people can make bad decisions even if they’re on the ”right” side? Sometimes it feels like people think Zelensky is infallible and will never make a mistake or make a bad decision. Everything is just oh no ork bot, russian bot etc etc. And to dismiss everything as propaganda from russia is also not the right way to go about it. Ukraine was known before the war to be one of the most corrupt countries in the world. That wont change overnight just because a war is going on. Probably the opposite where low life trash scums see even more of an opportunity to lay their hands on more money. I’m on Zelenskys side but the constant firing and changing of ministers is a bit odd tbh..
Internal-Comparison6 on
First, anti-corruption agencies. Now this.
UFL_Robin on
To all of you who are inclined to call this alarmist, or urge caution and patience, or who feel like everyone’s overreacting:
**Stop. Listen to the Ukrainians. Their thoughts are the only ones that matter.**
I’ve been involved in this since 2014. I talk to Ukrainian civilians and to soldiers, both foreign and Ukrainian, all day every day. Everything in this piece fits with what I’ve been hearing about Syrsky since he took over for Zaluzhnyi. I have close friends who’ve experienced the fallout from his Soviet-style command, including one who took a training position at the infamous Skelya facility and was so disgusted by what he saw there that he left after three days.
These things may be coming as news to you, but they’re not to anyone who’s either on the ground or in close contact with people who are.
I get that you support Ukraine. Great. Thank you. But you need to understand that Ukraine is fighting two wars: the war against russia, and the war against its own entrenched corruption and leftover Sovok mentality. Zelensky just struck a blow for the old guard, for the forces that are holding Ukraine back, for the forces that are going to cost Ukraine the war if they aren’t reined in.
**You are not supporting Ukraine if you refuse to hear what Ukrainians are telling you.** This editorial condenses it neatly and effectively; it’s a crystallization of everything I hear in my private chats, my group chats, the Ukrainian Telegram channels I follow. Close your mouths, please, and open your ears.
*Edit: misspelled Skelya.*
not_just_putin on
russians celebrating his removal just confirms it.
Meryhathor on
I don’t know about you but even though I’m not Ukrainian I’m getting tired of these constant reshuffles, dismissals, scandals, generals coming and going. Like, come on, you have a full scale war going on for the fifth year. Can you not just chill out for once and keep a stable team of people who seem to be doing their jobs?
Clearly Fyodorov was doing a good job based on what people are saying. If he was then what is the reason for his firing? If it’s not job related then is it some behind the curtains drama? If so then it’s genuinely pathetic that they can’t just unite and do what’s best for the country and instead opt to stir shit all the time.
There’s just something fishy about this whole thing. It’s again some feud between the general and someone else, like last time with Zaluzhny and Zelensky. It seems to always be some personal issues between some egos.
kwangqengelele on
Why did he remove this guy?
twilight-actual on
I’d get rid of jealous generals clinging to old, outdated ways than Fedorov.
Left to the old generals, they’d still be getting their asses kicked in an artillery duel.
Fedorov showed them a way forward to actually take the victory, and this is how they repay him?
twilight-actual on
Zelenskyy has made a terrible decision, and it’s time that he admitted his mistake, put Fedorov back in charge, and fire the generals and suppliers who helped push him out — largely because Fedorov was shaking the boat, outing corruption and failed traditions.
This is my second post here, but the more I read about it, the more damaging this will be to morale, the future of crowd funding for Ukraine, and the ability of the Ukrainian defense to innovate.
Just an absolute disaster.
Trejasmens on
Syrsky needs to go!
eilef on
Risks? No, Zelensky DID give Russians a huge win with this.
Its not a question of IF things will get worse. Its a question of how terrible they will get now.
Berkamin on
This is like the Byzantine emperor Justinian sacking Belisarius while Belisarius was having great success in his campaign against the Ostrogoths.
future__fires on
Fucking terrible look from Zelensky. Fedorov will go down in history as one of the 21st century’s best military strategists
MonkeyChums27 on
Disgraceful decision by Zelensky giving the Orcs a massive win here.
_teslaTrooper on
Reversing this decision could actually turn into a PR and morale win, it would show the Ukranian people that their voice is still important despite there not being elections, and gives a good excuse to dismiss Syrskyi.
Naytosan on
And it was working. Ruzzia is up against the ropes! Now is not the time for political squabbles or a leadership change. It’s time to push the occupiers out of Ukraine forever! But what now?
sombertimber on
Russia has been trying for the entire special military operation to poison the world’s favor towards Zelensky using their special hybrid warfare…this feels like one of those operations.
Ukraine gets the licenses and partners to build their own air defense missiles for both US and European systems to protect Ukrainian cities and civilians from ballistic missiles and drones (Russias only remaining tool in their arsenal), and suddenly, there is a very coordinated attack on Zelensky’s credibility, his leadership, his vision, his integrity, and his…
Dacusx on
Well done, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Mosinphile on
Has there been anymore news on this?
Atrio-Ventricular on
I need a context hat, what did this general do that makes him so popular? If he the one pushing more drones and that sort of warfare over other voices calling for a more traditionalist fight which favours Russia?
WeakCelery5000 on
Syrskyi can suck a lemon and focus on the job. Bring back Fedorov!
BronnOP on
On Reddit this seems to be very anti Zelenskyy.
When talking to my Ukrainian friends who have both served, been discharged (left?), earned hero of Ukraine medals and now operate their own drone workshops supplying the military…
They seem to think Zelenskyy wants to hold an election, and Fedorov couldn’t run if he was still part of the government (not sure I’m using the correct terminology) and that by sacking this guy Zelenskyy is setting him up to be the next leader of Ukraine.
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Would be the biggest fumble. How can you fire the drone specialist in a drone war?
I cant help but feel everyone is overreacting a bit (not saying its a great decision by zelensky) but ukraine didnt start innovating because of Fedorov and at this point we dont even know that Fedorov was the direct cause of the recent ukrainian successes. And no one actually knows why he was dismissed.
Stop being alarmists.
“….Who is celebrating?
The first people to celebrate Fedorov’s dismissal were… the Russians. Russian pro-war military bloggers openly wrote that Ukraine’s progress in drone warfare was largely Fedorov’s achievement – and that his departure was excellent news for the Russian army.
“Fedorov was responsible for the digitalization of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the deployment of drones, and even for cutting off Starlink access for the Russian Armed Forces. Therefore, his dismissal will be beneficial for Russia,” wrote the Russian military blog Voyennyi Osvedomitel.”
You cant change the system by enabling the old guard.
Regardless of the outcome, the reality of this situation is that Zelensky has shown some *terrible* political instincts domestically. No matter Zelensky’s intentions (his opponents would say tacit support of soviet style tactics and procurement corruption, supporters would say preserving an efficient chain of command during wartime), the fact of the matter is that the execution of this decision shows *poor judgement.*
He deeply and fundamentally misjudged the possible reaction to his decision. He moved too quickly and without making his case to the public. He could *easily* have dismissed only Syrskyi, or even both. Instead his approach has eroded confidence in his leadership at a time when Ukraine is still seeking support from abroad for both financing and ballistic missile defense. It’s also reminiscent of the NABU fiasco last year, where he rammed through legislation to defang the corruption bureau right before a scandal broke involving the top echelons of his inner circle.
I’m not sure if he needs better advisors, to stop trusting his gut, or which is worse.
I would urge everyone outside Ukraine and who supports Ukraine to please listen to what Ukrainians and foreigners living here have to say. People are angry and angry for a reason. It is our lives on the line and our people at risk.
Zelenskyy made many good moves. This is a terrible one that risks the lives of soldiers and troubles allies and investors. Please don’t downplay this. Please don’t shout Ukrainians down when they have opinions. This is not normal times. Supporting Ukraine can mean listening to people who want change.
You know people can make bad decisions even if they’re on the ”right” side? Sometimes it feels like people think Zelensky is infallible and will never make a mistake or make a bad decision. Everything is just oh no ork bot, russian bot etc etc. And to dismiss everything as propaganda from russia is also not the right way to go about it. Ukraine was known before the war to be one of the most corrupt countries in the world. That wont change overnight just because a war is going on. Probably the opposite where low life trash scums see even more of an opportunity to lay their hands on more money. I’m on Zelenskys side but the constant firing and changing of ministers is a bit odd tbh..
First, anti-corruption agencies. Now this.
To all of you who are inclined to call this alarmist, or urge caution and patience, or who feel like everyone’s overreacting:
**Stop. Listen to the Ukrainians. Their thoughts are the only ones that matter.**
I’ve been involved in this since 2014. I talk to Ukrainian civilians and to soldiers, both foreign and Ukrainian, all day every day. Everything in this piece fits with what I’ve been hearing about Syrsky since he took over for Zaluzhnyi. I have close friends who’ve experienced the fallout from his Soviet-style command, including one who took a training position at the infamous Skelya facility and was so disgusted by what he saw there that he left after three days.
These things may be coming as news to you, but they’re not to anyone who’s either on the ground or in close contact with people who are.
I get that you support Ukraine. Great. Thank you. But you need to understand that Ukraine is fighting two wars: the war against russia, and the war against its own entrenched corruption and leftover Sovok mentality. Zelensky just struck a blow for the old guard, for the forces that are holding Ukraine back, for the forces that are going to cost Ukraine the war if they aren’t reined in.
**You are not supporting Ukraine if you refuse to hear what Ukrainians are telling you.** This editorial condenses it neatly and effectively; it’s a crystallization of everything I hear in my private chats, my group chats, the Ukrainian Telegram channels I follow. Close your mouths, please, and open your ears.
*Edit: misspelled Skelya.*
russians celebrating his removal just confirms it.
I don’t know about you but even though I’m not Ukrainian I’m getting tired of these constant reshuffles, dismissals, scandals, generals coming and going. Like, come on, you have a full scale war going on for the fifth year. Can you not just chill out for once and keep a stable team of people who seem to be doing their jobs?
Clearly Fyodorov was doing a good job based on what people are saying. If he was then what is the reason for his firing? If it’s not job related then is it some behind the curtains drama? If so then it’s genuinely pathetic that they can’t just unite and do what’s best for the country and instead opt to stir shit all the time.
There’s just something fishy about this whole thing. It’s again some feud between the general and someone else, like last time with Zaluzhny and Zelensky. It seems to always be some personal issues between some egos.
Why did he remove this guy?
I’d get rid of jealous generals clinging to old, outdated ways than Fedorov.
Left to the old generals, they’d still be getting their asses kicked in an artillery duel.
Fedorov showed them a way forward to actually take the victory, and this is how they repay him?
Zelenskyy has made a terrible decision, and it’s time that he admitted his mistake, put Fedorov back in charge, and fire the generals and suppliers who helped push him out — largely because Fedorov was shaking the boat, outing corruption and failed traditions.
This is my second post here, but the more I read about it, the more damaging this will be to morale, the future of crowd funding for Ukraine, and the ability of the Ukrainian defense to innovate.
Just an absolute disaster.
Syrsky needs to go!
Risks? No, Zelensky DID give Russians a huge win with this.
Its not a question of IF things will get worse. Its a question of how terrible they will get now.
This is like the Byzantine emperor Justinian sacking Belisarius while Belisarius was having great success in his campaign against the Ostrogoths.
Fucking terrible look from Zelensky. Fedorov will go down in history as one of the 21st century’s best military strategists
Disgraceful decision by Zelensky giving the Orcs a massive win here.
Reversing this decision could actually turn into a PR and morale win, it would show the Ukranian people that their voice is still important despite there not being elections, and gives a good excuse to dismiss Syrskyi.
And it was working. Ruzzia is up against the ropes! Now is not the time for political squabbles or a leadership change. It’s time to push the occupiers out of Ukraine forever! But what now?
Russia has been trying for the entire special military operation to poison the world’s favor towards Zelensky using their special hybrid warfare…this feels like one of those operations.
Ukraine gets the licenses and partners to build their own air defense missiles for both US and European systems to protect Ukrainian cities and civilians from ballistic missiles and drones (Russias only remaining tool in their arsenal), and suddenly, there is a very coordinated attack on Zelensky’s credibility, his leadership, his vision, his integrity, and his…
Well done, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Has there been anymore news on this?
I need a context hat, what did this general do that makes him so popular? If he the one pushing more drones and that sort of warfare over other voices calling for a more traditionalist fight which favours Russia?
Syrskyi can suck a lemon and focus on the job. Bring back Fedorov!
On Reddit this seems to be very anti Zelenskyy.
When talking to my Ukrainian friends who have both served, been discharged (left?), earned hero of Ukraine medals and now operate their own drone workshops supplying the military…
They seem to think Zelenskyy wants to hold an election, and Fedorov couldn’t run if he was still part of the government (not sure I’m using the correct terminology) and that by sacking this guy Zelenskyy is setting him up to be the next leader of Ukraine.