“Tutti hanno paura di morire”: la lotta per reclutare soldati in Ucraina diventa violenta
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7k5ngde3vo
di ManonFire1213
“Tutti hanno paura di morire”: la lotta per reclutare soldati in Ucraina diventa violenta
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7k5ngde3vo
di ManonFire1213
27 commenti
In contrast to the obvious russian propaganda, at play, by the BBC, the ukrainian civilians are more than happy to be recruited as seen on dozens of videos that have been circulating since a few years.
/s
Why is it that the president is allowed to decide how long to keep fighting for, and not the soldiers that actually risk their lives for this?
Lol at citing members of Our Land party which is pro Russian and which colluded with Russians during the 2022 invasion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Land_(Ukraine)
Better to die fighting your slavers than under their abuse.
Wow. BBC with the quiet part out loud. Reddit users heads are going to explode by the truth
Leave people uneducated and boost them with religion and nationalism.They will die to fight.
Awful
Most reasonable people are afraid to die and recruitment for an active conflict is always hard.
What’s the alternative? Entice South Asians and Central Asian poor men to fight for an empire not their own? Pardon criminals and enlist them in a paramilitary group to be used as cannon fodder?
Can’t say I blame them. But if the front collapses will they like living under Russian rule? I doubt it.
Ultimately it’s up to them either way.
The concept of the modern nation-state is in its final death throes. It’ll take decades, but Ukraine as a country will not exist in the future. The lack of patriotism along with falling birth rates has sealed its long-term fate. Would be interesting to see what geopolitical structures will arise in the future post-2100.
People don’t want to die in a war? Weird. I would expect most people to be delighted. /s
Godspeed forcing the remaining of a fast-sinking minority to the meatgrinder to keep an economic zone alive🙏
Remember your patriotic duty Europeans and serve your life for the rest of the world o7
The article is crazy, because it wants to show the TCC officers as “victims”. When you ever saw the original videos, how they grab the guys from the streets, beat them, handcuff them and put them into the bus, you know why people there are defending themselves.
Can’t blame the young men, they don’t want to die. Conscription isn’t the same like enlisting as a volunteer. Another problem is: If you drag young men to the frontlines, that don’t want to fight, they have zero morale. They will not put up much resistance in a battle, they’ll rather say “fuck this, i become a POW” and just surrender. Sometimes, having guys with low morale can have the opposite effect for the unit, that the morale of the other soldiers goes down too.
Anyway, it’s interesting that for once, it’s not a “Hurra! Ukraine wins!!” article. Because it isn’t all sunshine and fun there, it’s not like the UA would not suffer casualties. The stats about losses are difficult to track by the army itself, that’s normal in a war, but you can manipulate these very easily – like even just how you count: Do you only count deaths KIA – killed in action – as losses? Do you count wounded too? Do you also count losses by attrition and desertion? Captured soldiers and soldiers that deserted?
Incidentally, the EU (in particular Germany and Lithuania) is deporting conscripts who have fled the Russian army back to Russia, thereby aiding the Kremlin.
“Aggression against recruitment officers has become increasingly threatening, police say”
It sounds so false, people are walking down the street, crowd of officers are attacking people and it is showed as a simple people attacking the officers.
“Recruiting”, this people are abducting them.
“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal”
EU getting scared as well, either having to lose their own people as volunteers or lose the war. Ukrainian men already getting refused entry and refuge while getting sent back to fight.
A bit worried this war will turn much uglier than it has been.
Why aren’t they sending their own kids to the front? Most of the ministers kids are in Monaco and London having fun and those who are inside Ukraine are protected and shielded from mobilization. There is some famous media person in Ukraine who was bashing the guys that avoid mobilization and hide from the TCC fascists. After few days it was discovered that her own son of conscription age is in Germany, safe and healthy. You can’t even make up this sh*t…
This is some weird framing. We’ve seen hundreds of videos of conscription officers violently kidnapping men on the street. Now this BBC article frames it as “conscription officers facing violence” and interviews with a guy saying “Yeah its so hard to do my job people don’t want to come with me”
Yeah no fucking shit
‘There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one’s safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.’ – Joseph Heller – Catch 22
The fact that this post comes up ontop of my frontpage almost all day with barely any engagement is suspicious.
where are all the Europeans stepping up to man the trenches?
oh wait I forgot this is r/europe and we’re content to just fight till the last Ukrainian.
Ukraine will have a shortage of many millions of workers after the war, it already had a demographic crisis, many young people fled, and many die.
And people who migrated to the west will mostly not return.
Ukraine will probably have to import millions of non-European people.
Getting randomly blown apart by a 30€ drone while taking a morning piss doesnt sound appealing? Who knew.
Lives are not property of the state.
Maybe try to recruit outside of Ukraine and reimburse them for the costs to get there?