Well, at least they are doing more than a lot of nations I could think of….. looking over the pond just now.
elderrion on
Corruption is a deep and long lasting issue. Even former Warsaw pact states in the EU still struggle with it, despite thirty years having gone by including twenty in which they were part of the EU.
Ukraine and Moldova recognise that corruption is a tool of control for Moscow, (hence why everywhere the Kremlin once swung the sceptre has to deal with it) so they’re fighting it at a remarkable pace.
Yes, more needs to be done, but the work that’s yet to happen does not take away from the achievements already reached. Keep going Ukraine, you’re doing fine, and fuck everyone who says otherwise
INITMalcanis on
Maybe the West should remember The Panama Papers and set its own house in order before bagging on Ukraine – you know, that little incident that revealed that literally the entire billionaire class is engaged in massive tax evasion, and then the leaker mysteriously committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head or whatever, and everyone decided they didn’t want to talk about it any more and nothing was done.
lakmus85_real on
Fucking lol.
General_Helicopter1 on
No matter how much we love Ukraine, we have to be realistic. The Soviet era corruption legacy is a pain in the ass for all affected countries and people, and must be dealt with. Ukrain is currently on a positive trend, but it is a long way to climb. Just watch season 2 of “Servant of the people” to get a feeling on how Ukranians view this battle. Personally I think you’ll win it.
Only_Razzmatazz_4498 on
Corruption in most of the west is just legal so it’s not corruption. It’s called lobbying or political donations, or any of the other things that let you skip the line or have special access to opportunities.
Abm743 on
Corruption is everywhere. Just a few years ago, we had a county commissioner arrested where I live (this is In the US). Him and his cronies were helping his buddies get county contracts for generous kick backs.
Th3Brush on
Okay but the west is full of corruption and absolutely nothing is done. Hell corruption in the form of lobbying is written into fucking law in the U.S.
Positive_Judgment581 on
The reality is that Ukraine needs to do much better on corruption than Europe itself for the foreseeable future if it wants to keep hope of Europe financing its rebuilding.
So yes, please do jail anyone and everyone taking bribes, embezzling money, and whatnot. And do accept into your government, EU-delegates to oversee how their money is going to get spent.
We’ve seen with Hungary, what happens with EU money if we leave it to admittedly corrupt countries.
And it’s not that that still wouldn’t be worth it, but Ukraine is putting itself in a politically very fragile position if it gives the anti-EU/pro-Putin politicians exactly what they need to get the EU to drop support once the war is over.
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As a Ukrainian, no comment.
Well, at least they are doing more than a lot of nations I could think of….. looking over the pond just now.
Corruption is a deep and long lasting issue. Even former Warsaw pact states in the EU still struggle with it, despite thirty years having gone by including twenty in which they were part of the EU.
Ukraine and Moldova recognise that corruption is a tool of control for Moscow, (hence why everywhere the Kremlin once swung the sceptre has to deal with it) so they’re fighting it at a remarkable pace.
Yes, more needs to be done, but the work that’s yet to happen does not take away from the achievements already reached. Keep going Ukraine, you’re doing fine, and fuck everyone who says otherwise
Maybe the West should remember The Panama Papers and set its own house in order before bagging on Ukraine – you know, that little incident that revealed that literally the entire billionaire class is engaged in massive tax evasion, and then the leaker mysteriously committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head or whatever, and everyone decided they didn’t want to talk about it any more and nothing was done.
Fucking lol.
No matter how much we love Ukraine, we have to be realistic. The Soviet era corruption legacy is a pain in the ass for all affected countries and people, and must be dealt with. Ukrain is currently on a positive trend, but it is a long way to climb. Just watch season 2 of “Servant of the people” to get a feeling on how Ukranians view this battle. Personally I think you’ll win it.
Corruption in most of the west is just legal so it’s not corruption. It’s called lobbying or political donations, or any of the other things that let you skip the line or have special access to opportunities.
Corruption is everywhere. Just a few years ago, we had a county commissioner arrested where I live (this is In the US). Him and his cronies were helping his buddies get county contracts for generous kick backs.
Okay but the west is full of corruption and absolutely nothing is done. Hell corruption in the form of lobbying is written into fucking law in the U.S.
The reality is that Ukraine needs to do much better on corruption than Europe itself for the foreseeable future if it wants to keep hope of Europe financing its rebuilding.
So yes, please do jail anyone and everyone taking bribes, embezzling money, and whatnot. And do accept into your government, EU-delegates to oversee how their money is going to get spent.
We’ve seen with Hungary, what happens with EU money if we leave it to admittedly corrupt countries.
And it’s not that that still wouldn’t be worth it, but Ukraine is putting itself in a politically very fragile position if it gives the anti-EU/pro-Putin politicians exactly what they need to get the EU to drop support once the war is over.