102 anni fa, oggi, il principale elemento fondante della moderna Repubblica Turca, la Guerra d’Indipendenza Turca, si concludeva con una vittoria turca.
102 anni fa, oggi, il principale elemento fondante della moderna Repubblica Turca, la Guerra d’Indipendenza Turca, si concludeva con una vittoria turca.
And much like Russia, so many years later, their government founded on the idea of ousting the old and installing a progressive government, has just become another attempt at bringing back the old status quo.
morbihann on
Yep and is speedrunning reverting to another middle eastern hellhole.
Apoiro on
No interest in muslim occupiers.
psychonautSwe on
Atatürk is rolling in his grave at what has become of Türkiye today.
sp0sterig on
I am supporting the other team, but must admit that Kemal was a badass
DinBedsteVen6 on
Founded on ethnic cleansing and genocides. 100 years later not much have changed
mcdouk on
Shame it have fallen so far from Grace since then. It did well for a while
purpleisreality on
Kemal Ataturk is evidently the perpetrator of the second phase of the Greek Pontic Genocide with 350.000 deaths (International Association of Genocide Scholars’ resolution – 16th of December 2007). Actually, some historians claim that the turkish liberation war “was fought not against aggressors, but against minorities”.
*Vahagn Avedian argues that the Turkish War of Independence was not directed against the Allied Powers, but that its main objective was to get rid of non-Turkish minority groups. The Turkish National Movement, led by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, maintained the aggressive policies of the CUP against Christians;[19] most former members of the CUP joined the movement,[20][21][22] and were active participants in the war.[23]*
*There was some local Muslim opposition to this actions. But it could not change anything because of authoritarian essence of Kemal’s regime. For example, when it turned out that Greek women and children were going to be deported from Samsun, seventy Turkish notables telegraphed Kemal, saying that it was against their religion to massacre women and children. The dissenters recommended deporting them to Greece instead. Kemal responded by emphasizing atrocities committed by Greeks against Turks and described expulsion of Samsun’s Greeks as a “merciful act”. The authorities then threatened to charge the dissenters with “disloyality”. They backed down and promised not to take further steps to oppose deportations.[85]*
**Also, the greek army didn’t even get close to this area, so there was not a war and foreign armies present. No fighting and war in Pontus, only the Turkish army against their own civilians / minorities.**
Finally, I wish for the Turkish state one day to akwnoledge these, because the recognition and education would have helped to avoid many more atrocities that followed (massacre in the dersim, cyprus etc.) or might follow.
quacksalvereheh on
they were more european adjacent then than now
Architect81 on
Turkey is not an EU nation. Cyprus which it illegally occupies is. Fuck Turkey
Limesmack91 on
And look at them now, what a nice de facto dictatorship they have become.
Thanks to the support from the uneducated yokels from the countryside and diaspora in Europe that actively voted for it
BXL-LUX-DUB on
It also ended with a Turkish defeat.
Deep-Commercial-4321 on
One walk at the gardens, and one stupid Baboon bite, that is all it took…..
kachurovskiy on
Turkey used to be pretty attractive for foreigners just a few years ago. However, lately they’ve been inconsistent with the rules, changing them every month, increasingly unfriendly towards expats and more expensive for tourists. If it’s crazy hot and more expensive than Canary Islands it just stops making sense.
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And much like Russia, so many years later, their government founded on the idea of ousting the old and installing a progressive government, has just become another attempt at bringing back the old status quo.
Yep and is speedrunning reverting to another middle eastern hellhole.
No interest in muslim occupiers.
Atatürk is rolling in his grave at what has become of Türkiye today.
I am supporting the other team, but must admit that Kemal was a badass
Founded on ethnic cleansing and genocides. 100 years later not much have changed
Shame it have fallen so far from Grace since then. It did well for a while
Kemal Ataturk is evidently the perpetrator of the second phase of the Greek Pontic Genocide with 350.000 deaths (International Association of Genocide Scholars’ resolution – 16th of December 2007). Actually, some historians claim that the turkish liberation war “was fought not against aggressors, but against minorities”.
*Vahagn Avedian argues that the Turkish War of Independence was not directed against the Allied Powers, but that its main objective was to get rid of non-Turkish minority groups. The Turkish National Movement, led by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, maintained the aggressive policies of the CUP against Christians;[19] most former members of the CUP joined the movement,[20][21][22] and were active participants in the war.[23]*
*There was some local Muslim opposition to this actions. But it could not change anything because of authoritarian essence of Kemal’s regime. For example, when it turned out that Greek women and children were going to be deported from Samsun, seventy Turkish notables telegraphed Kemal, saying that it was against their religion to massacre women and children. The dissenters recommended deporting them to Greece instead. Kemal responded by emphasizing atrocities committed by Greeks against Turks and described expulsion of Samsun’s Greeks as a “merciful act”. The authorities then threatened to charge the dissenters with “disloyality”. They backed down and promised not to take further steps to oppose deportations.[85]*
**Also, the greek army didn’t even get close to this area, so there was not a war and foreign armies present. No fighting and war in Pontus, only the Turkish army against their own civilians / minorities.**
Finally, I wish for the Turkish state one day to akwnoledge these, because the recognition and education would have helped to avoid many more atrocities that followed (massacre in the dersim, cyprus etc.) or might follow.
they were more european adjacent then than now
Turkey is not an EU nation. Cyprus which it illegally occupies is. Fuck Turkey
And look at them now, what a nice de facto dictatorship they have become.
Thanks to the support from the uneducated yokels from the countryside and diaspora in Europe that actively voted for it
It also ended with a Turkish defeat.
One walk at the gardens, and one stupid Baboon bite, that is all it took…..
Turkey used to be pretty attractive for foreigners just a few years ago. However, lately they’ve been inconsistent with the rules, changing them every month, increasingly unfriendly towards expats and more expensive for tourists. If it’s crazy hot and more expensive than Canary Islands it just stops making sense.
Independence from who?