La Polonia non permetterà all’Ucraina di entrare nell’UE senza risolvere le questioni storiche – Primo Ministro polacco
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/poland-won-t-allow-ukraine-to-join-eu-without-1725037240.html
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La Polonia non permetterà all’Ucraina di entrare nell’UE senza risolvere le questioni storiche – Primo Ministro polacco
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/poland-won-t-allow-ukraine-to-join-eu-without-1725037240.html
di hloroform11
19 commenti
Good.
Oh sorry I’m supposed to forget the massacre of my people and the fact they still use a phrase coined by a Nazi for their military.
Es ist nicht die Zeit um die Historischen Probleme aufzuklären. Das Thema ist zu komplex und würde evtl sich negativ auf den Krieg auswirken.
I’m getting strong “Stephen” vibes from Tusk and Poland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYTRQWKsyxc
Ukraine will do it right next day after German apologies for concentration camps. OR! Germany should be reapply for EU membership by new Polish rules.
Yeah. This shitty blackmail again. Time to reach some uranium. Or open the border to fleed away from Ukraine, and let this hypocrite Europe to deal with putin. Only Ukraine has black stories in history, no, not any country more. Lets dig it right now, during the war, while we bleeding.
Kinda fair, ukraine had issues even before the war, getting into the eu requires at least a decade for countries that are in such a state,
If my country asks for apologies, allows exhumations to be continued and condemns far right leaders that caused the massacre (it should have been done waaaay earlier, whether we like it or no), will Ukraine get apologies for a period of oppression and polonization that happened between the Great War and WW2? It’s even possible to go further and recall the Treaty of Riga and how it affected my country.
I’m not trying to deny the massacre or justify it as nothing can justify the atrocities commited by UPA/OUN. I just don’t want the entire period to be considered one sided, where my country is the sole oppressor.
There will be Hungary looooong before Poland.
And given how long it will take Ukraine to join the EU, likely all the veterans of the rebels will die out by that time.
OUN was not a governmental organization and Ukraine itself was under the Soviet/russian occupation back then, so there is no responsibility that Ukrainian government can carry for the acts of the non-governmental actors during occupation. The closest (imperfect) analogy is countries apologizing for the units which were formed by the Nazis once they occupied the countries. Which is kinda ridiculous.
Likely the government will distance itself from the OUN after the war (right now they are considered to be veterans), and it won’t even be difficult, since there will be a bunch of new living and recently fallen heroes to celebrate.
Personally, I’m fully behind this. Some might argue about the timing, but to me, turning your back on history is a Russia thing, not a civilized country thing. For Ukraine who is fighting to free itself from Russian influence, there is no better time to do this than now. The same goes for Poland, which is also not innocent by any means, no country is.
Germany is a great example of dealing with past issues. I work in a very diverse environment, and I interact with a lot of German people on a daily basis. If, for whatever reason, some historical topic happens to come up, they’re often so apologetic that I feel the need to reassure them that it’s fine, they didn’t do anything wrong personally, it’s their ancestors who did, and there were some heroes who didn’t, and it’s great that they acknowledge it as educated people. We can agree that bad things are bad, as stupid as it sounds. Interactions with Russians are much more limited, but I’ll just say that in my experience it’s much more “varied”. Even people I would least expect such things from would casually say some very weird things that would make me think we live in very different worlds.
The Ukrainians are of the position that Ukraine and Poland have both done cruel things to each other at various times in their shared history. That is a a reasonable basis for further discussion and reconciliation on these subjects.
The Ukrainians don’t deny cruelties perpetuated against the Poles. The problem is that there are a significant amount of Poles who are pursuing a maximalist negotiating position- where the Ukrainians must concede on all points of Polish ultimatums, and discussion of Polish cruelties against Ukrainians is not on the table.
If Poland is going to use its EU position as leverage to force Ukraine to take positions that are not genuinely felt by Ukrainians, it only sets the stage for Ukraine to repudiate those positions as soon as Poland’s leverage is gone and perhaps even one day return that same sort of treatment to Poland.
There is a real opportunity to heal the historical wounds between Poland and Ukraine, which is being squandered with this sort of political theatre. I’d have more confidence about the good faith negotiations between Poland and Ukraine if not for the previous negotiations when farmers shut down the border between Poland and Ukraine.
In that situation more than a few Polish politicians seemed to treat the situation as an opportunity to make a name for themselves rather than question why “farmers” were also blocking shipments of military aid going into Ukraine.
It’s a response to the Ukrainian minister of foreign affairs stating this week that there is no point in digging in the past and we should look to the future. For Poland, the issue will be resolved when the victims will be exhumated and properly buried. My great-grandfather was murdered and no one knows where his body is. It’s not about revenge, just finally closing this chapter. I have tons of love for Ukraine and Ukrainians and so does my grandmother who had to escape from Ukrainian nationalists. No one sane can categorize an entire nation.
It seems like an obvious thing at this point. On my behalf: sorry for the past, guys.
Tusk (allegedly the biggest sell-out in Polish politics) said something that PiS was afraid to say for the last 8 years 😂 How the turntables.
Pretty normal and should not be a problem
Poland deviding Ukraine with Russia? Sounds familiar.
жаба с гадюкой не могут договориться кек
I don’t understand why Ukraine still holds abominations like OUN and Bandera in any esteem. Also, this is probably the only case where Russia and Poland have the same position. And when they both agree on something, Ukraine should know better.
I mean, yes, but Poland should start updating it’s national hymn to begin with.
Apart from that, Ukraine isn’t in no state to be a part of the EU, by a long shot, just to name corruption.
Well if it turns out Ukraine actually is responsible for Nord Stream, they wont be joining EU, full stop.