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    1. caiaphas8 on

      It’s not massively unsurprising, in battle graveyards there’s always a couple of women buried in a way which suggests they were combatants, this is true across the whole of Eurasia. But it does not mean it was normal, it was probably still very unusual for women to be fighting on the frontline

    2. viral_pinktastic on

      Of course they are… Archaeologists doesn’t need to dig to find it out.

    3. treebeard87_vn on

      TLDR:

      Archaeologists discovered the remains of a woman among warrior monks of the Order of Calatrava at Zorita de los Canes castle in Spain, raising questions about her role. Her skeleton bore battle injuries and she seemed to have died due to these injuries. Her skeleton showed the signs of being trained with a sword and she might have worn some kind of armor when she died. Her diet consisted of less protein than the men but researchers ruled out the possibility that she was a servant called upon to join combat as there is no signs that indicate this kind of physical activities on her bones. Research indicates her as a warrior of about forty years of age, just under five feet tall, neither stocky nor slender, and skillful with a sword.

      This is big if true.

      Did the monks know that she was a woman, maybe even from the beginning, and accepted her as such and trained and associated with her?

      Women were never knights in the strict sense. They were admitted to chivalric orders but never assigned the role of knights (and trained and used as such – by the orders. Many fathers on the other hand might have trained their own daughters in horsemanship and fighting skills though. Many aristocratic women knew how to use a bow or a spear to hunt, and some hunted big games such as boars, like Isabella I who invented the mobile military hospital or her granddaughter Mary of Hungary – her paternal grandfather Maximilian I of the HRE made a point in training her and her sister-in-law in hunting and using weapons, right there in his “military innovation center” of Innsbruck with its weapon arsenals , which helped her to develop into a very remarkable “military woman” later. Mary and her generals were the ones who actually organized the legendary Dutch navy, although today rarely remembered as such.).

      [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_of_Hungary_(governor_of_the_Netherlands)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_of_Hungary_(governor_of_the_Netherlands))

      Actually women who fought and possessed fighting skills were not rare, and females of high ranks who commanded vassals and knights were not rare in the Medieval Age either.

      There were many glorious examples, but what really impresses me is people like Nicola de la Haie who presided over the important Lincoln Castle:

      [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_de_la_Haie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_de_la_Haie)

      In 1216 (she was born around 1150) when she was at a ripe old age, she begged King John to let her retire. But he replied, “My dear Nicola, I want you to hold on to the castle as you have so far, until I decide otherwise.” The thing was that it would not be easy to find an equally skilled castellan, who knew the castle, the men, terrain. So she worked until 1226 when she retired, and died in 1230.

      It was like it was not anything abnormal. It was just a job.

      Or this story of Flemish women who worked as spies and messengers against the armies of my man Maximilian:

      [https://www.the-low-countries.com/article/flemish-female-spies-watching-maximilians-every-move/](https://www.the-low-countries.com/article/flemish-female-spies-watching-maximilians-every-move/)

      They were not prostitutes as some might expect. They were middle class women who worked for the government and organized and paid as such.

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      LOL, some guys on this site being oversensitive to any history related to women. Did I call for women to be assigned to commanding posts in your military forces or equal ratio of such and such or something? Or maybe we should only post women-related history if these women’s jobs were maidservants, paramours and nuns….??

    4. _-Burninat0r-_ on

      This DEI shit is everywhere even in our History god damn

    5. There’s multiple story of women having to lead the defense of their husband castle while they were on crusade and i m sure some even went on the battlefield.

      In France we have a story of a woman shooting an arrow to her father who came to attack her husband’s castle while he was away on crusade.

    6. TheAmazingKoki on

      I buy it because being a knight was basically all status. If there was the occasional female ruler than it only makes sense that there were female knights too.

    7. krustytroweler on

      An interesting case if DNA can back up the osteological analysis. However I’m afraid the headline is a tad click baity, and the focus of the study was not the sex of the individual. It seems to be an interesting result as part of the rest though.

    8. Smart people existed in past.
      Dumb people existed in past.
      Violent people existed in past.
      Gay people existed in past.

      Every type of person we have now, also existed in the past.

      We have women who want to fight, in UFC, army, w/e.. is it rare? Sure. But those types of women also existed in the past. Not every women is a house wife… just like not every men is a fighter.

    9. napletnik_ on

      Now Netflix can finally produce a show where all Teutonic knights were women and call it historically accurate

    10. SmokingStack on

      Maybe they were just fighting for their survival? Knight orders were typically very elitist. Most men were excluded. Of course women of noble birth might have had an easier time being part of the order than a man of simple birth. But I very much doubt that there were fully fledged female knights. It’s probably more so that women in positions adjacent to power (wives of political and military leaders) commanded enough respect to lead some military engagements, especially in situations were their husbands were no longer present.

    11. Not knights no. Like some guy said in that dragon show “not all guys(or gals) in armor are knights.

    12. kodos_der_henker on

      the title is the regular clickbait and should not be taken serious

      This is about Knightly Orders, and not about regular knights (neither as social title nor the mounted warrior). The unexpected point here is that the religious orders even today are split into male and female orders so finding a female body among dead males with battle injuries isn’t expected

      yet the body showed a different diet meaning the female wasn’t eating the same as the others so not necessarily lived with them and/or had the same social status but was trained

      female knights aren’t unknown and members of orders being trained for defence isn’t something new as well
      in this case the “surprise” is that there is a good chance that a single female died in the same battle as other males

    13. mangalore-x_x on

      Imo what we like to do is oversimplify our ancestors. They had complex social systems, too.

      Imo most importantly they were far more classist than sexist. Aka a male peasant could not dare to offend a woman from a knightly or noble family or a monastery. Does not matter that within each class women had lower status each class were separated by stronger borders, too.

      One aspect here is that noble women as extension of their husbands or family could hold high status and by proxy could wield power st times, in particular to defend their children’s and husband’s claims.

      People then did not find that offensive, that was lauded. And we see occasions where women did act as leaders then. They were usually panned when in opposition to their husband or family.

      So wives of knights of course came from knightly families and while they were unlikely to wield weapons or fight they would be the natural choice to lead the estates when their husbands were absent and may present such symbols of power because they would act as regents.

      In a similar vein despite it being an ideal not every feudal lord was a great fighter, the shape and stature of armor actually underlines that. However armor was a symbol to wear to represent such power of leadership so even those not interested in fighting personally would present with such symbols.

      In short we should start thinking in more context and assume everything was clear cut and applied universally.

      I would speculate in most cases of women buried with manly grave items they were regarded to have acted as strong leaders in usually male roles so they were honored that way. It still does not clearly tell us what anyone did like it does not tell it about men, it tells us what was generally expected.

      I mean duel fencing for women was a thing in the 18th/19th because it was seen as a good status sport for noblewomen. And some held duels.
      It was rare but did not overly challenge the sensibilities of our ancestors either. It just had tobhappen within their frame of reference, e.g. women of higher class doing it over an acceptable feud.
      We also have these descriptions of legal duels men vs women which indicates people totally accepted that in specific circumstances had a legal right to claim justice this way, too. Even when in most cases finding a stand in was probably preferred.

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