Hang on! We’ll know in January (probably). Also with the Greens gone it’s not going to be the same government.
AgentSufficient1047 on
We’re so special and unique ! 💕
Historical-Issue-759 on
Better the devil you know.
I’d reckon that folks see all the nonsense that comes when countries flip flop left / right or republican / democrat or what ever version of parties that sit on opposite sides off what ever spectrum a country has.
The flip flopping always continues and the shite that comes with it is always visible.
Maybe our electorate are more savvy and just don’t want to deal with all the craic that comes with continuous changing of governments and leaders and so on. Look at america. Look at the UK too, how many PM’s since Cameron and they’re still wading through stagnation and cant seem to get out of it in any hurry.
Before you downvote me i’d love to hear your perspectives.
Grand_Bit4912 on
It’s (always) the economy, stupid.
The country has booming coffers. Every party can promise tax cuts, spending increases, etc.
So SFs ‘vote for change’ message didn’t resonate.
You vote for change when the country is fucked.
Housing and cost of living are huge problems but 70% of the country own their own homes. And the people that are most affected by the housing & cost of living crisis are the demographic least likely to vote.
What was even the major difference in the parties? Every party said they’d build 300k houses. How they got there differed but that’s minor. Everyone is promising everyone a little something.
Compare Ireland to the UK where they just had to pass a budget raising tax by £40b or France where they had to raise tax or cut spending by €60b.
That’s why the government is the same. It’s the economy, stupid.
Britterminator2023 on
Amnesia, that was the worst government in the history of the sate as far as I’m concerned and I include the one that bankrupt the country and brought the Troika of economic terror to town in that forcing the youth to leave the country by cutting their dole rates and Noonan said it was a “lifestyle choice” and nationalising private banking debt instead of burning the bondholders, the USC and property tax is a permanent reminder of this,Ireland’s neutrality “up for debate”, the worst minister for justice of all time,”hate speech” laws, most expensive hospital in the world behind schedule, Harris “18 previous COVID viruses” Frank Spencer anyone?they closed the country down adding another 40 billion to our national debt for a dose of the sniffles, sham of a government, thankfully the green tax party are gone
KILLIGUN0224 on
It definitely helps when the state broadcaster are basically running propaganda for the Government… Where most older people get their news each day.
Anyway any event I see for FF/FG is full of grey haired attendees… Just like the catholic church in the 1990s, while it’s enough for now, there’s nothing coming behind so the bases will drop as they die off.
North-Resolution-6 on
Do you not know why it is the same? People vote for the individuals in there area, the person who has done them favors , Who they have voted for for years. They don’t vote for the party. the way the system is set up, the vote for the people who are active in their society, not the specific party, it is a contest of popularity. Also people have been taught to fill in all the numbers, but they dont know that that is what the larger parties want like FF and FG. They have been taught to do that, because the votes will always end up going to them. Also the hold the vote on a Friday, No one younger than 35 can or would be available to vote on a friday, Payday. Also I think its an absolute joke that the leader of Ireland can get in with only over 10,000 votes.
I would never vote for FF or FG, but ill tell you I felt bad not voting for Pat the Cope, he is a good man who has done alot, the party on the other hand and the policy’s should be out. Do you not see the conundrum there?
Thats a general you and not specifically at the poster of the article
Edit: People who are downvoting, Please explain where I am wrong, I want to learn more and If I am wrong I want to know it
I retract the “No one under 35” and now say they are less likely to vote on a Friday
jockeyman on
We don’t exactly have alternate options.
Even our ‘outsider weirdos’ are so crap that the Russians couldn’t fund them into relevance.
Intelligent-Price-39 on
59% turnout. That’s around 10% below the normal voting percentage….as many didn’t vote as the entire FFFG vote combined.
beargarvin on
Massive amounts of people in their 50s are nearing retirement and don’t want Sinn Fein, dicking around in their little nest eggs. The rest didn’t bother voting.
Hour_Mastodon_9404 on
The wheels of change move slow here, but they are moving.
Oftentimes this is a good thing – it makes things stable and predictable. In this case though, infrastructure and housing are existential threats to our success as a country. We *need* to overhaul our planning system and undertake massive infrastructural and housebuilding projects, but there’s no stomach for that among the status quo parties. Their vote is shrinking and eventually the situation will become so dire that power will change hands to other parties, but I fear by then it will be too late and irreparable damage will have been done to our society.
RobotIcHead on
I always think there is a pragmatism to the collective Irish psyche, they go for what they know and understand politically. However they also want a sense of collected fairness. It is one of the reasons why the left right divide in politics is not as clear cut here as a lot of people would like to be. I understand why people voted FF and FG back in. Compared to when I was growing Ireland is vastly improved and I mean vastly.
Neddybai84 on
This isn’t going to go down well but three major things.
One, economy is strong and people don’t want to risk it in the hands of an unknown entity.
Two, the quality of councilors in FFG is usually strong. We saw this in the local elections. Even if people are dissatisfied with the party, they may have had positive experience on local level influencing their vote.
Three, I feel that more conservative voters view other parties as idealistic, contrarian and antagonistic.
Lastly and this is a wild one, do you think that clare daly and mick wallace were seen as part of the left and were such an embarrassment that it has had an effect how people view an alternative to FFG? Like some auld lads imagine a left leaning government as 90 mick & clares going apeshit wearing pink polo shirts and burning american flags in the Dail. I said it was a wild one..
haywiremaguire on
Genuine question – not trolling: what do you believe SF would do for you and for the country, had they won the election?
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Hang on! We’ll know in January (probably). Also with the Greens gone it’s not going to be the same government.
We’re so special and unique ! 💕
Better the devil you know.
I’d reckon that folks see all the nonsense that comes when countries flip flop left / right or republican / democrat or what ever version of parties that sit on opposite sides off what ever spectrum a country has.
The flip flopping always continues and the shite that comes with it is always visible.
Maybe our electorate are more savvy and just don’t want to deal with all the craic that comes with continuous changing of governments and leaders and so on. Look at america. Look at the UK too, how many PM’s since Cameron and they’re still wading through stagnation and cant seem to get out of it in any hurry.
Before you downvote me i’d love to hear your perspectives.
It’s (always) the economy, stupid.
The country has booming coffers. Every party can promise tax cuts, spending increases, etc.
So SFs ‘vote for change’ message didn’t resonate.
You vote for change when the country is fucked.
Housing and cost of living are huge problems but 70% of the country own their own homes. And the people that are most affected by the housing & cost of living crisis are the demographic least likely to vote.
What was even the major difference in the parties? Every party said they’d build 300k houses. How they got there differed but that’s minor. Everyone is promising everyone a little something.
Compare Ireland to the UK where they just had to pass a budget raising tax by £40b or France where they had to raise tax or cut spending by €60b.
That’s why the government is the same. It’s the economy, stupid.
Amnesia, that was the worst government in the history of the sate as far as I’m concerned and I include the one that bankrupt the country and brought the Troika of economic terror to town in that forcing the youth to leave the country by cutting their dole rates and Noonan said it was a “lifestyle choice” and nationalising private banking debt instead of burning the bondholders, the USC and property tax is a permanent reminder of this,Ireland’s neutrality “up for debate”, the worst minister for justice of all time,”hate speech” laws, most expensive hospital in the world behind schedule, Harris “18 previous COVID viruses” Frank Spencer anyone?they closed the country down adding another 40 billion to our national debt for a dose of the sniffles, sham of a government, thankfully the green tax party are gone
It definitely helps when the state broadcaster are basically running propaganda for the Government… Where most older people get their news each day.
Anyway any event I see for FF/FG is full of grey haired attendees… Just like the catholic church in the 1990s, while it’s enough for now, there’s nothing coming behind so the bases will drop as they die off.
Do you not know why it is the same? People vote for the individuals in there area, the person who has done them favors , Who they have voted for for years. They don’t vote for the party. the way the system is set up, the vote for the people who are active in their society, not the specific party, it is a contest of popularity. Also people have been taught to fill in all the numbers, but they dont know that that is what the larger parties want like FF and FG. They have been taught to do that, because the votes will always end up going to them. Also the hold the vote on a Friday, No one younger than 35 can or would be available to vote on a friday, Payday. Also I think its an absolute joke that the leader of Ireland can get in with only over 10,000 votes.
I would never vote for FF or FG, but ill tell you I felt bad not voting for Pat the Cope, he is a good man who has done alot, the party on the other hand and the policy’s should be out. Do you not see the conundrum there?
Thats a general you and not specifically at the poster of the article
Edit: People who are downvoting, Please explain where I am wrong, I want to learn more and If I am wrong I want to know it
I retract the “No one under 35” and now say they are less likely to vote on a Friday
We don’t exactly have alternate options.
Even our ‘outsider weirdos’ are so crap that the Russians couldn’t fund them into relevance.
59% turnout. That’s around 10% below the normal voting percentage….as many didn’t vote as the entire FFFG vote combined.
Massive amounts of people in their 50s are nearing retirement and don’t want Sinn Fein, dicking around in their little nest eggs. The rest didn’t bother voting.
The wheels of change move slow here, but they are moving.
Oftentimes this is a good thing – it makes things stable and predictable. In this case though, infrastructure and housing are existential threats to our success as a country. We *need* to overhaul our planning system and undertake massive infrastructural and housebuilding projects, but there’s no stomach for that among the status quo parties. Their vote is shrinking and eventually the situation will become so dire that power will change hands to other parties, but I fear by then it will be too late and irreparable damage will have been done to our society.
I always think there is a pragmatism to the collective Irish psyche, they go for what they know and understand politically. However they also want a sense of collected fairness. It is one of the reasons why the left right divide in politics is not as clear cut here as a lot of people would like to be. I understand why people voted FF and FG back in. Compared to when I was growing Ireland is vastly improved and I mean vastly.
This isn’t going to go down well but three major things.
One, economy is strong and people don’t want to risk it in the hands of an unknown entity.
Two, the quality of councilors in FFG is usually strong. We saw this in the local elections. Even if people are dissatisfied with the party, they may have had positive experience on local level influencing their vote.
Three, I feel that more conservative voters view other parties as idealistic, contrarian and antagonistic.
Lastly and this is a wild one, do you think that clare daly and mick wallace were seen as part of the left and were such an embarrassment that it has had an effect how people view an alternative to FFG? Like some auld lads imagine a left leaning government as 90 mick & clares going apeshit wearing pink polo shirts and burning american flags in the Dail. I said it was a wild one..
Genuine question – not trolling: what do you believe SF would do for you and for the country, had they won the election?