Oggi, 157 anni fa, nasceva lo statista polacco Józef Piłsudski. Una delle grandi figure della storia europea, gettò le basi del Prometeismo, il progetto volto a indebolire Mosca sostenendo i movimenti indipendentisti. Non è mai stata pienamente attuata, ma l’UE potrebbe adottarla come politica ufficiale
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism
*”There are many different nations in Russia”* – Kaja Kallas
Also authoritarian ruler and warmonger.
Pretty much polish Mussolini.
Supporting independence movement —> Tried to annex Lithuania, fights with Ukraine, therefore, weakening the only country capable of stopping Russia in the east.
His ideas were great, but, they never went beyond paper declarations.
He was a great figure in Polands history. For others i doubt it.
He also wanted to emulate the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth by a NATO-like alliance that would be a pain in the ass for Russia – Międzymorze (Intermarium)
Note that the big intermarium we’re all familiar with wasn’t meant to be a union. The plan for an actual union made by Piłsudski involved just Lithuania, Belarus and Poland. (some Polish nationalists didn’t even consider Ukraine a real country at the time)
Plans for that union died after the polish-Bolshevik war in 1921 when it was clear there was no way to break USSR apart.
Plans for intermarium alliance as a whole died with Piłsudski, but it was pretty unfeasible from the start. Poland was disliked by basically everyone around them because of:
Polish – Czechoslovak war of 1919, Polish Annexation of Wilno, Germany is self explanatory
This caused Poland to be blocked north – south, where the alliance was meant to be.
Starting to get crazy. First imperial Japan, now this guy. Jfc.
Here’s to the great Republican of Buratiya
Just read about prometheism, it’s wikipedia page had a link to a forum called “free nations of post-russia” which discusses the decolonization of russia, dividing it into smaller countries according to local ethnicities/cultures and I actually liked the idea very much, all those people should have the freedom to decide their own future.
He’s responsible for polonisation, pacification of Galicia and the anti-Ukrainian policies in Western Ukraine. Another Polish “hero”
The most of the wiki on Prometheism relies on mostly a single source..
The equivalent of “trust med bro”
A dictator at most
It should be adopted as policy. A more integrated EU should also have an organisation similar to the CIA or mossad to take care of problems abroad. It doesn’t make sense to have 40 small intelligence agencies instead of a giant powerful one
Does nobody realise that Russia is on its way to become a Chinese colony or at least utterly dependent on them?
a polarising figure in polish history, but a great leader – something we need really bad at the time.
The moustache man himself. Very grey figure, no doubt great for Poland at that time but it is telling that a certain Austrian painter had his picture on the wall.
This will be peacefull thread, i’m sure /s
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Glorifying bastard dictators just gives the Russians more ammunition you do realise? Fuck this guy, he would have been another Mussolini if he had the army for it
Piłsudski is certainly a controversial figure here in Poland.
He was a key leader in Poland’s fight for independence in 1910s and then served as de facto ruler of the newfound country until 1922. Then he stepped down from active politics and went into political retirement. Then, in May 1926 he suddenly lead a coup d’état with the support of the army and overthrew the democratically-elected government. Around 400 people died.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Coup_(Poland)
Prometheanism, as to weaken the Russian Empire was surely a decent one, especially when it came to its first period. Second & third period was a bit murky but still more than fine, especially with academic wings of the thing. Post 1926 became really a mixed bag, especially given the Cossacks, and CZ and Lithuania.
Anyway, Pilsudski himself is a mixed-bag as well. Ironically, he is surely the reason why the Soviet Russia being prevented from reaching to Hungary and Germany, to unite with Hungarian and German communists and gave them the leadership – which you may cheer for, but that’s also what brought the Russian cadre and then the Stalinist leadership in the end. Unironically, he then went onto work with Polish Communist Party (which then purged by Stalin, of course).
A little-known fact about Piłsudski is that he didn’t actually defend Poland during the Miracle on the Vistula.
A few days before the battle, he submitted his resignation, as he didn’t believe in victory. In reality, he was hiding in the south with his mistress. Witos did not accept his resignation, and it was General Rozwadowski who led the Poles to victory—an army that perhaps saved Europe from communism.
It’s unfortunate that hardly anyone in Western Europe knows about this. That battle has changed the course of European history
what a glorious mustache
I wouldn’t call Piłsudski “one of the great figures” in European history. He was certainly one in Polish history but even then he is a highly controversial figure. He was a leader of newly independent Poland, he lead us through the war with the soviets and made many strong handed decisions that might have been right but he also soured relationship between Poland and basically all our neighbours which was in part what caused his ideas of Prometheism and Intermarium fail completely.
Why are europeans so scared / concerned about Russia? I understand hating them for what they are doing, but Russia can barely beat Ukraine and is wrecking its military and economy to do so. their demographics are terrible and their economy is not modernizing. To some extent the same can be said for European nations but most are not as severe as Russia and a coalition of France Germany and Poland alone could stop any Russian invasion of western europe.
They are doomed in the long run, and eventually in a few decades they’re probably going to be more scared of an ascendant China and will focus east instead of west. Russia is not the soviet union and will never be that powerful for the foreseeable future. The only reason to be afraid of Russia is if you are Georgia or Ukraine or some non aligned small state right on their border. Otherwise they are hardly a serious threat
He overthrew the Polish government establishing a one party, statist dictatorship and approved the creation of a concentration camp for political opponents. People here glaze him too hard. Dmowski was far better.
He was just as much of an imperialist as Putin is. His actions still have a lingering smell among Lithuanians that a certain country to the east loves to exploit to sow distrust towards Poland.
OP is a zealot who never served in a military but is more than willing to send others to war. Delusions of imperial grandeur are all over their posts. It’s basically Macron but crazy and probably a loser.
Pilusudzki is cool with me as I’m Polish. I get that others would not love him. He was the right figure for our history at the specific time.
That would be a bit odd today, considering this whole conflict started because Russia supported an Ukranian independence movement. Doing the same thing so soon would be weird….
Quite complicated man for sure who went from train robberies under socialist banner at beginning of 20th century to being de facto dictator of Poland after 1926. Hated by both Ukrainians and Lithuanians. His biggest misfortune was being not able to put his ‘Jagellionan idea’ into action after Riga treaty between Poland and Soviet Union in 1922. Intial intent was for creating strong Belarus and Ukraine shielding Poland and actually Europe from Soviet Union. At the end Poland stuck somewhere in between borders based on Polish dominated population and those allowing for creating independent, self-sustainable and aligned Belarus and Ukraine.
Imho he is quite overated in Poland however when comes to some issues like Russian imperialism he was right. Nationalistic tendies from late 80s were crucial to dismantling Soviet Union in 1991. The same may be applied to present Russia and today it’s crucial to support all prodemocratic and pro-Western movements in former Soviet Union states, especially in those regarded by Russians as ‘near abroad’
Never heard of the guy. But if it weakens Moscow, I’m all for it.
Some of the Russian bots in the replies are too obvious. They change flairs every day. One day it’s Polish, the next day Ukrainian.Then suddenly he has a French flair. I wish mods would ban these obvious bot accounts.
He was a dictator, repressed thousands of people, started a bunch of wars, but he disliked Russia, so i guess thats ok.
Wasn’t he a dictator and also rucked over jews?(just not in massacres?)
How is the EU going to implement “Prometheism”? By invading Russia? It could not even defend Ukraine by itself, otherwise Trump’s victory would not be a single decisive moment of the war.
Lastly, the EU is an organisation that is mainly aimed at economic integration, the political aspects came later. If you read the original founding treaty of the European Coal and Steel Community, you’ll barely find any lofty declaration relating to democracy or the rule of law. The EU has no competence to wage war or to Balkanize another country.