Questo è il quadro elettrico del mio wg-apparment che è WG da almeno 14 anni. È di proprietà di una società che possiede metà dell’edificio. Ieri il cavo mezzo rotto di cattiva qualità di un portatile si è bruciato e fortunatamente non ha causato alcun danno. Ma ho dovuto svitare manualmente il fusibile prima di permettere a qualcuno di toccare la presa per rimuovere il cavo rotto. (L’elettricità non è andata via)
Mi è stato detto che né l’hausvervaltung né i proprietari sono obbligati ad aggiornare l’impianto. Nemmeno noi Tennant dovremmo toccare nulla nell’apparecchio senza la loro autorizzazione. Non c’è FI-schalter… Trovo questa situazione estremamente scomoda. Che con un aggiornamento economico puoi proteggere vite umane. Ma sembra che per poter fare qualsiasi cosa bisogna passare attraverso un giro burocratico, che non so da dove cominci. Immagino che ci siano molti appartamenti in questa situazione a Berlino. Poiché ci sono molti vecchi edifici. Qualcuno ha esperienza con questo?
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Please go to r/LegaladviceGerman . I am pretty sure you need an FI to rent out an apartment.
>But I had to unscrew the fuse manually before letting anyone touch the socket to remove the broken cable. (Electricity didn’t go off)
BIG RED FLAG!
as others suggested r/LegaladviceGerman , also contact the Mieterverein to inform yourself about your rights.
I personally would insist on a replacement under the threat of reducing my rent until it its fixed.
Is it dangerous? What exactly is dangerous there?
There are power strips with built-in FI-Schalter available. Though I’m not sure how much that helps it might be a temporary solution.
“Cheap update to protect lives” <- the word you got wrong is “cheap”. You need to remodel the whole distribution, install a cabinet that holds the protective switches, probably a new main wire, almost 100% certainly the whole wiring in the appartment. That’ll cost a lot of money and makes no sense if you’re not remodelling the whole appartment which means higher rent and so on.
When it comes to electrical installation the magic word in germany always is “Bestandsschutz”. There is nothing you can to, no Mieterschutzverein or whoever can change that.
Yes the situation CAN be hazardous but like another person already said the secondary side of a laptop power supply can burn down a cable without triggering the fuse on the primary side, you would have to have AT LEAST 16 amps (usually way more) and maybe it blocks that much current on the primary side.
I have no clue about it, but no matter what if I were you I’d buy new fuses and replace all of them if one was faulty…
Why do you think it is dangerous? That installation has no exposed electrics unless you unscrew the protectors. Leaving it as is is the safest option.
If it doesn’t have FI there is no cheap solution, only full remodel of everything. There are screw in FIs but they aren’t legal anymore I think.
I am not sure if a tenant is allowed to change them, but for the screw in fuses there are also replacements fitting in those sockets which work like “modern” fuses (they look similar but have a big (usually black) and a small (usually red) button on the front).
There is a concept called *Bestandsschutz* (~”grandfather clause”): If you make any *changes*, you need to bring it up to current code, which indeed requires an “FI-Schutzschalter” (RCD / GFCI / RCCB / ALCI) for all sockets. But as long as it stays the way it is, it is in many cases enough for it to have been compliant to the then-current code back when it was installed or last modified.
But if the faulty cable merely shorted live to neutral, an RCD wouldn’t have tripped anyway. And explicitly switching off a circuit (And securing it! Otherwise, someone unaware of your plans might turn it back on) should always be the first step, rather than relying on your assumption that something has tripped, purely based on the observation that something no longer has power.