I SocDem respingono la proposta del blocco di sinistra del Labour
https://www.rte.ie/news/election-24/2024/1206/1484990-election-labour-social-democrats/
di NilFhiosAige
I SocDem respingono la proposta del blocco di sinistra del Labour
https://www.rte.ie/news/election-24/2024/1206/1484990-election-labour-social-democrats/
di NilFhiosAige
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They are right too. A few more years of growth and consistency with their message and they may be a large party in their own right.
Which party is going to bend the knee?
Are they interested in showboating, or are they interested in affecting policy?
The Soc Dems will get into bed eventually to form a government when it suits them, just like Labour did. They know a Left Bloc doesn’t suit their aspirations, and that’s all this is.
I’d love to see them form the government with FF and FG so the people can see just how much of a careerist bunch of pricks they are.
Didn’t make much sense for Government formation anyway.
11 + 11 =22. Way beyond what FFG need to get a majority or would conceed in cabinet seats.
Daycent. Labour cast the die for itself by embracing austerity, and it deserves to be left in the dust.
If Labour wiggle themselves into this Dáil, the SocDems will be dining finely in a few years, and in a position to contend.
No one really thinks it was realistic, even Labour. They’re obligated to make a sincere attempt at a proposal but they both know it’s not the right time.
My left is better than your left continues to be the strategy
So wait, Labour are trying to form a left bloc but earlier completely refused to talk with SF, saying they had a “hard neck” to even approach them?
Are they bad at maths or do they not realise that a left wing bloc can’t be in government without one of the three bigger parties? Do they think FF or FG are more left than SF?
Why set up a leftwing bloc for it to split like all leftwing blocs inevitably do?
Why would you enter a leftwing bloc with a party that isn’t even left wing lol good on the SocDems, now let’s hope they don’t fuck up and go in with FF FG
I’m intrigued to see what other stories come out of this. I don’t think they’d have any interest in being part of a labour-led bloc and they’re after the same slice of the pie when all is said and done. I also wonder if this was just a bloc of those 2 and they’re leaving SF out of this (considering the ”hard neck” comments a few days ago).
Of course, they could also be gearing up to walk into power and to give all their seats back to the greens in a few years. Otherwise, there seems to be more to this than meets the eye.
Will also be interesting if Bacik’s comment about a common platform is followed through now and if they engage with SF seriously from here.
If Soc Dems actually go into government. I’d be impressed. They’re basically Labour but without the backbone to make any hard decisions.
If labour go into coalition I’ll eat me hat. Would be a fucking disaster.
SDs were founded to replace Labour, not to do a Progressive Left and team up with them to form a bloc. It would take some pretty serious exigent circumstances to persuade them to cooperate with Labour. All the talk of left blocs now and before the election is just talking points from Labour and their sympathisers.
two parties pitching for the same demographic votes while pretending to be separate parties, now where have I heard that before?
Labour want to be a mud flap again by the looks of it. And it seems they want to drag the SD’s with them so they dont get hammered as bad when it inevitably goes tits up.
SD’s are quite rightly playing the long game. They know that the FFG base is in decline so no point in ruining their own progress by mudflaping for the next government.
Could they at least have waited till they picked a name for this new bloc before announcing the split?
Next step is to reject FFG’s right wing coalition suggestion
I doubt either Labour or the social Democrats will be foolish enough to go into government. They are fairly equal in terms of numbers and if one of them were to go into government they will get the blame for all the unpopular decisions and the other party would hoover up their votes.
Junior partners do not fare well in coalition governments, even more so if it’s a three-way one.
A left-wing block is just another backdoor way of labour eventually cannibalising the social Democrats into them. They are relatively similar in terms of policy and there isn’t a whole lot to differentiate between the two. If candidates from each party were to run in the same constituency there would be a lot of transfers but they will also cannibalise each other’s votes.
It will be in interesting one to see how this whole political formation works out but I doubt it will get resolved this year.
I expect FF and FG to go into government with a rotating Taoiseach similar to the last term. They will want a coalition partner to be like the filter in a cigarette and soak up most of the gunk, like the Greens did!
I doubt very much that they will get anyone so it will have to be a collection of independents.
Given how many of them are either in or connected to FF or FG that shouldn’t be a problem. Their support in exchange for projects in their constituency or something.