Now do EU. Could be a lot of things with completely different situations. Or say North America.
gerningur on
Do these numbers include Russia? Most western european countries are around 1.
I suspect most of the decrease in Europe is Eastern Europe becoming wealthier and more stable excluding the Ukraine situation.
-Stoic- on
I think not having 1.2 guns per capita might have something to do with it.
EDIT: People mention Switzerland, but majority of guns there are owned by conscripts or former soldiers who are required to keep their service rifles for national defense but under strict conditions.
EDIT 2: Also, the gun ownership rate in Suisse is 0.28 per capita.
No_Priors on
School shootings are a protected pastime in the U.S.
Tarnished13 on
But remember Gun’s don’t kill people..
Miserable-Ad-7947 on
FYI this includes former soviet union countries.
in western Europe (Germany, Italy, Spain, UK, France, etc) it’s close to or below 1/100k
Kronos9898 on
While true, this needs context. Violent crime in the US is way down in the past 50 years, and until the COVID spike it was the lowest I had been since the 60s
It has resumed it decline in recent years, but it’s too early to tell if it’s a resumption of a trend. It’s actually a huge success story for a country as ethnically diverse with as many guns as it has that we were coming within 1.5 per 100k as smaller, more homogenous less firearms ownership European countries.
Gatholig-Criostach on
Most of those in Europe were me though.
I’ve stoped now so it’s gonna be lower.
EbolaaPancakes on
I’m a gun owner in America. I carry one every day. I still believe that a majority of gun owners are fucking dumbasses and should not be able to own one.
We see it over and over and over again. Some idiot will get cut off in traffic, pullover, get his gun out and kill somebody over a minor inconvenience. We are a violent people.
ElTalento on
“Should I bring my Rolex to Paris?”
In any American forum
fan_tas_tic on
The holy 2nd amendment that’s more important than life itself.
Rapa2626 on
Wait, so more emigrants did not increase homicide rates overall? Wow, the right will surely apologise now and dont push this narrative amymore.
Common_Brick_8222 on
“Guns don’t kill people, death kills people, ask your Doctor it’s a medical fact” (c) Some random dude
Paciorr on
So you either have low homicide rate or GDP growth. Guys, you know what to do…
StanisLemovsky on
Simple: A strong social state prevents crime. Europe has been dominated by social democratic ideas not even the neoliberals have managed destroy until now (though they’re working hard on it), and those ideas have led to a better distribution of wealth. It’s also helpful to have structures to quickly integrate immigrants rather than exploit them as illegal workers or leave them to themselves entirely. If everyone has something to lose, organized crime has much lower influence and there are much fewer crimes out of desperation. Unfortunately, with the rise of the far-right in an unholy alliance with libertarian predatory capitalism, this will likely change soon.
LogicalPakistani on
And the number of immigrants has increased.
Ill_Refrigerator_593 on
Wait, so Europe had higher homicide rates than the US before 2006?
Federal_Eggplant7533 on
Seems strange Europe would be above US.
Physical_Fatness on
all that without nuking london is crazy
ErnestoPresso on
I’m curious, since people talk about gun control being effective:
The Czech have probably the least strict gun control laws in the EU, and lower homicide rate than western EU countries. So then it would be okay to relax gun control to at least the Czech level, right?
>Czech firearms legislation also permits citizens to carry concealed weapons for self-defense; 260,027 out of 316,859 gun license holders have a concealed carry license (31 December 2023).
Just a bunch of people going around the street with guns. But for some reason we need stricter gun control than this, even though most EU countries have worse homicide rates.
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Now do EU. Could be a lot of things with completely different situations. Or say North America.
Do these numbers include Russia? Most western european countries are around 1.
I suspect most of the decrease in Europe is Eastern Europe becoming wealthier and more stable excluding the Ukraine situation.
I think not having 1.2 guns per capita might have something to do with it.
EDIT: People mention Switzerland, but majority of guns there are owned by conscripts or former soldiers who are required to keep their service rifles for national defense but under strict conditions.
EDIT 2: Also, the gun ownership rate in Suisse is 0.28 per capita.
School shootings are a protected pastime in the U.S.
But remember Gun’s don’t kill people..
FYI this includes former soviet union countries.
in western Europe (Germany, Italy, Spain, UK, France, etc) it’s close to or below 1/100k
While true, this needs context. Violent crime in the US is way down in the past 50 years, and until the COVID spike it was the lowest I had been since the 60s
It has resumed it decline in recent years, but it’s too early to tell if it’s a resumption of a trend. It’s actually a huge success story for a country as ethnically diverse with as many guns as it has that we were coming within 1.5 per 100k as smaller, more homogenous less firearms ownership European countries.
Most of those in Europe were me though.
I’ve stoped now so it’s gonna be lower.
I’m a gun owner in America. I carry one every day. I still believe that a majority of gun owners are fucking dumbasses and should not be able to own one.
We see it over and over and over again. Some idiot will get cut off in traffic, pullover, get his gun out and kill somebody over a minor inconvenience. We are a violent people.
“Should I bring my Rolex to Paris?”
In any American forum
The holy 2nd amendment that’s more important than life itself.
Wait, so more emigrants did not increase homicide rates overall? Wow, the right will surely apologise now and dont push this narrative amymore.
“Guns don’t kill people, death kills people, ask your Doctor it’s a medical fact” (c) Some random dude
So you either have low homicide rate or GDP growth. Guys, you know what to do…
Simple: A strong social state prevents crime. Europe has been dominated by social democratic ideas not even the neoliberals have managed destroy until now (though they’re working hard on it), and those ideas have led to a better distribution of wealth. It’s also helpful to have structures to quickly integrate immigrants rather than exploit them as illegal workers or leave them to themselves entirely. If everyone has something to lose, organized crime has much lower influence and there are much fewer crimes out of desperation. Unfortunately, with the rise of the far-right in an unholy alliance with libertarian predatory capitalism, this will likely change soon.
And the number of immigrants has increased.
Wait, so Europe had higher homicide rates than the US before 2006?
Seems strange Europe would be above US.
all that without nuking london is crazy
I’m curious, since people talk about gun control being effective:
The Czech have probably the least strict gun control laws in the EU, and lower homicide rate than western EU countries. So then it would be okay to relax gun control to at least the Czech level, right?
>Czech firearms legislation also permits citizens to carry concealed weapons for self-defense; 260,027 out of 316,859 gun license holders have a concealed carry license (31 December 2023).
Just a bunch of people going around the street with guns. But for some reason we need stricter gun control than this, even though most EU countries have worse homicide rates.
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