"All’inizio degli anni ’90, l’Occidente credeva davvero che un giorno la Russia avrebbe potuto unirsi alla parte democratica dell’umanità. Questo è stato un errore fatale che è durato fino al 24 febbraio 2022. Solo dopo questo mito ha cominciato a svanire dalle teste dei leader occidentali. Sfortunatamente, questo sbiadimento sta avvenendo molto lentamente. Tuttavia, il processo è ancora in corso. Mi sembra che tutto ciò che è accaduto nel 2024 abbia contribuito a far sì che questo processo di scomparsa delle opinioni errate sulla Russia andasse molto più velocemente. Non sempre ha avuto successo. Non tutti vogliono capirlo, non tutti hanno successo economico, non tutti i paesi sono indipendenti da Mosca, ecc." – ha spiegato Ogryzko. Secondo il diplomatico ci sono partner dell’Ucraina che, a causa dei loro pregiudizi, non forniscono a Kiev l’aiuto necessario a costringere la Federazione Russa a ritirarsi e a non scatenare attacchi contro la popolazione civile.
"Oggi sono troppi i fattori che influenzano la posizione di alcuni paesi nei confronti della Russia. Pertanto, sfortunatamente, non abbiamo ottenuto un risultato rapido e, di conseguenza, una vittoria. Spesso è molto difficile sfondare il muro dei pregiudizi. Questo è un lavoro titanico composto da molti fattori. E non so se potremmo ottenere un risultato rapido in questa guerra”.
https://global.espreso.tv/news-the-west-made-fatal-mistake-regarding-russia-diplomat-ogryzko
di Lion8330
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To be a successful politician in Eastern Europe your name has to be a variation of Vladimir.
The future is a lot easier to predict once it’s in the past.
The idea should have gone away the moment Russia occupied Transnistria.
Kinda tired of Ukraine pretending it has only been West.
Visegrad group first met already in early 1991, discussing cooperation on foreign policy (and, mainly, accession to NATO). CEFTA got signed in 1992. All before Czechoslovakia even ceased to exist.
When Baltic countries were joining NATO, popular support in Ukraine for doing the same was ~20%. Invasion of Georgia did not significantly influence polling. Annexation of Crimea was what triggered a change, but still, between 2014 and 2022, country was very divided, with pro-NATO option being only slightly favored.
Did top politicians in the West think Russia can launch full scale war in 21st century? Not really. But neither did politicians in Ukraine or its society.
It isn’t about that. It’s about certain countries getting cheap oil and gas. Dont ever forget that. No one believed russia was democratic. They just kissed ass. East europe told thoae “certain countries,” so did trump, and they ignored it and even laughed at it.
>This was a fatal mistake that lasted until February 24, 2022.
What, for 30 years? That’s just silly. So many things changed around the world and internally in Russia. There are so many events to consider. Might as well point to 1917 then, fatal mistakes were made then. Maybe 1856, the end of Crimean War, mistakes were made.
Never tell such experts to look at what Ukrainians were doing towards Russia before Russia attacked in 2014
Or what Ukrainians thought about joining NATO before the Russian attack
The West supported a coup in ’93 which led to an overly powerful president and Clinton endorsed Putin as successor while they were looting the country. They only cared for the resources and hegemony.
Eltin bombarding the Parliment did not give them enought clues, eh?
Should indeed have let the Finnish and the Poles have steered the post-Cold War policy instead of the Americans
Russia could become a part of democratic world, but that required actual efforts in influencing course of development of the country. Also, West doesn’t really care about guman rights, democracy and so on, proven by continuous and long relations with middle-eastern theocratic regimes, China, and Russia itself, even after mask was off in 2014. Not only that, Ukraine also didn’t do much to be prepared for the worst. So much to unpack here.
The West didn’t make a fatal mistake, Russia did.
So what should they have done exactly?
Statements like that I perceive as problematic because they seem to allocate fault and responsibility. The West did what it could and did well for Europe. A psychopath is a psychopath. It is no one’s fault that there’s a psychopath in power. Least of all the West’s. Let’s not forget that Ukraine was best friends with Russia all until 2014 and beyond while other former Union members chose more wisely and started running towards Europe and NATO immediately after the collapse (like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia). So, Mr. Ohryzko, let’s not throw stones sitting in a glass house.
The former Eastern block countries warned the West over and over again. The position that we are now in is that Rus will never be assimilated into the broader world economic community nor be trusted again, at least for the next 150 years+. So where does that leave the world? In a very uncomfortable and unfortunate place, with one country being ostracised for the next few generations, and the Rus population having to deal with the bed that they’ve made for themselves and their future generations. Or it will kick off to a final conclusion – but that would be a huge failure of humanity. The bullying and barbarity had to be stopped, though, otherwise this will continue from Ukraine, to the next, and the next…