the RMI report makes the data more granular by comparing European countries, US states, and Chinese provinces( in 3rd picture for example)
but overall, the rise of wind and solar seems to take similar amounts of time from threshold to threshold, across countries, states and regions
as the report says: t**he S curve is the signal in the noise**
overall, Europe is only 3 years ahead of China when it comes to share of wind and solar in electricity production, and 5 years ahead of US
Right-Influence617 on
China produces a lot, without implementation
No-Confidence-9191 on
This may be an extremely interesting report, but the thing which once again shocked me is how extremely small Europe is in comparison to the US and China. Entire provinces bigger than the biggest European countries…absolutely mindboggling what an advantage just having more territory, more space, more anything can mean.
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We’re still consuming about the same levels of oil and gas as 2018. Turns out you still need oil and gas to build green clean tech.
In 2022 EU generated 973 TWh of electricity from fossil fuels. This year up until yesterday we have generated 687 TWh from fossil fuels. Going at this rate fossil fuels will be close to extinct in electricity production by 2030.
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Why is hydropower not included here?
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Also reflects how blocks are depended on external energy sources in reverse order. USA is the only one which can sustain itself, Both China and Europe lacks the resources. Europe especially, because best source (russia) is an asshole.
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Sounds racist
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Imagine a life free of being influenced by the petro states like Russia, Middle East (and more recently the USA). Bliss.
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Well that’s good
Cheap_Marzipan_262 on
The **more important** part is actually **electrification**. Not what share is wind and solar.
We need to get close to 100% of energy from electricity. In the EU, only the “nuclear states” France, Sweden and Finland reach a quarter and there is minimal change for the better in europe as a whole. In fact, Germany has regressed.
China is about to hit 30%, while being under 20% ten years ago.
We clap our hands for countries like denmark or netherlands for having high solar&wind shares… But for gods sake, **they use almost no electricity**! Denmarks grid today could be powered with one single nuclear plant.
RMI is a solar&wind hobby-horsist, and I feel they care more about that than actually getting emissions down.
China is not competing in generation race with us. Wind and Solar are economical thing as part of a mix. China is also invest in traditional energy sources cause for them it’s all about cheap energy.
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source :https://rmi.org/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2024/12/Inside_the_race_to_the_top-1.pdf
the RMI report makes the data more granular by comparing European countries, US states, and Chinese provinces( in 3rd picture for example)
but overall, the rise of wind and solar seems to take similar amounts of time from threshold to threshold, across countries, states and regions
as the report says: t**he S curve is the signal in the noise**
overall, Europe is only 3 years ahead of China when it comes to share of wind and solar in electricity production, and 5 years ahead of US
China produces a lot, without implementation
This may be an extremely interesting report, but the thing which once again shocked me is how extremely small Europe is in comparison to the US and China. Entire provinces bigger than the biggest European countries…absolutely mindboggling what an advantage just having more territory, more space, more anything can mean.
We’re still consuming about the same levels of oil and gas as 2018. Turns out you still need oil and gas to build green clean tech.
https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=EU&year=-1&stacking=stacked_grouped&interval=year&legendItems=2wcw1w8
In 2022 EU generated 973 TWh of electricity from fossil fuels. This year up until yesterday we have generated 687 TWh from fossil fuels. Going at this rate fossil fuels will be close to extinct in electricity production by 2030.
Why is hydropower not included here?
Also reflects how blocks are depended on external energy sources in reverse order. USA is the only one which can sustain itself, Both China and Europe lacks the resources. Europe especially, because best source (russia) is an asshole.
Sounds racist
Imagine a life free of being influenced by the petro states like Russia, Middle East (and more recently the USA). Bliss.
Well that’s good
The **more important** part is actually **electrification**. Not what share is wind and solar.
We need to get close to 100% of energy from electricity. In the EU, only the “nuclear states” France, Sweden and Finland reach a quarter and there is minimal change for the better in europe as a whole. In fact, Germany has regressed.
China is about to hit 30%, while being under 20% ten years ago.
We clap our hands for countries like denmark or netherlands for having high solar&wind shares… But for gods sake, **they use almost no electricity**! Denmarks grid today could be powered with one single nuclear plant.
RMI is a solar&wind hobby-horsist, and I feel they care more about that than actually getting emissions down.
Here’s the data that actually counts:
https://yearbook.enerdata.net/electricity/share-electricity-final-consumption.html
China is not competing in generation race with us. Wind and Solar are economical thing as part of a mix. China is also invest in traditional energy sources cause for them it’s all about cheap energy.