Germania: la richiesta di Trump del 5% alla NATO è troppo costosa, dice Scholz
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-trumps-5-nato-demand-too-costly-says-scholz/a-71289250
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Germania: la richiesta di Trump del 5% alla NATO è troppo costosa, dice Scholz
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-trumps-5-nato-demand-too-costly-says-scholz/a-71289250
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Trump is just high balling, so Nato countries will agree to 3 or 3,5% and will be happy they don’t have to pay 5%.
Said it to rusian pigs who spent 40%, don’t want fight with them in 10 years- spent this 5%, don’t be so stupid
Tax the rich. Problem solved.
I agree that we cannot continue underspending in defense, but I agree with Scholtz this time. Who is gonna pay for such a large increase in mil spending? The poor through further welfare cuts? The already overburdened middle class?
Yes, we must be able to defend ourselves against both old (Russia) and possibly new (a Trumpist US) foes, but not at the cost of devolving into a third-world continent.
Olaf, mate, why do we even entertain this? Laugh about it and move on. The demand is so ridiculous and stupid that it actually warrants laughing in Trump’s face and saying nothing else.
Edit: to be clear, 5% would give Germany an annual military budget of €200 billion and give Germany and France alone a combined military strength equal to that of fucking China, not to mention there’d still be the entire rest of NATO. NATO works through the threat of combined military strength. The entire point of NATO is to work together so that member states do not have to entertain huge militaries. 5% is ridiculous.
Even at the height of the cold war 5% of was too much. Most were around the 3-3.5% mark
5% of GDP would be 222.8 billion USD, which would place Germany in 4th place, right behind Russia with 290 billion USD, who are actively engaged in a war and spending 40% of their GDP.
Obviously, that’s too costly, considering the demographic change and the strained welfare system in Germany.
5% is a massive amount though. Using 2-3% is more than enough to maintain a powerful military. Using more would mean a decrease in other important areas like education, healthcare, infrastructure and so on.
But then again, the play from Trump is that hes trying to pressure Europe to use even more money to buy American weapons.
Stop throwing money on NATO, let’s start building a common EU defense.
Trump is a tradesman, asking for 5% just to settle it around 3-3,5%.
To be fair 5% is cheaper than a Russian invasion of Western Europe.
We must all do more, better too much than not enough.
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Before we make another target that only has to be implemented at some point in the next decade, how about having a talk about what NATO should be, what the US wants and what the EU is willing to do? After that we can decide who does what and how much “catching up” is actually needed. Then we have actual numbers we need to cover.
If this ends up to become another version of “reach 2% by 2024” and “countries get to define how to spend a good portion of their miliary spending”, I am sure it will equally end in angry accusations.
I don’t like his attitude, but I also can’t imagine how would we spend 5% on defense in a meaningful way. That is like a lot of money…
Considering that Europe is not too interested in power projection, I just don’t know what we spend a trillion euros per year on. Like maybe 5000 additional F-35s per year or something?
If you substract the 200 billion in veteran benefits, it would be like double the US budget, lol…
Stop listening to Trump’s extortion efforts.
Forget Trump. We are in a situation where we cannot rely on USA for defense, and for the USA to fulfill NATO obligations.
With Trump the whole post- WW2 security architecture is thrown out.
We may even find ourselves fighting the USA one day. How much do we need to spend on defense should USA and Russia gang together against Europe?
In theory would this likely involve increasing active service numbers? I’d think there is a limited amount of money you can spend on new kit for smallish professional armed forces unless massive projects like nuclear subs and aircraft carriers are started.
Not even the US is at 5%
Ironically, not even the US spends 5% of their GDP in military.
Not that I don’t agree with 5% especially for us in Europe. WWI and WWII proved that America stays away from world wars unless they get directly attacked.
We definitely need. 5%
With this protection racketeering US president Europe should indeed massively invest in its defense but with EU market procurement and self sufficient capabilities and structures. This nut job is not going to honour article 5 and we should prepare for that.
I don’t mind it as long it is invested in euro industries not US.
But yeah not buying american and to be dependent on other euro countries is a no go for some.
I can agree with 3+2%. 3% for defense cost and additional 2% pay only for EU defense companies.
How about tree fiddy?
I don’t mind more defence budget but more should be spend in the EU and less in the US.
Go 3.5% and spend it on european made defense products, reduce the reliant on U.S.
Europe is being threatened by both Russia and the USA, you guys should be the ones pushing for a higher military budget.
The peace dividend Europe got since the end of the could war must have been great, but diplomacy failed and now war is at your doorstep.
“Happy is the city that in times of peace thinks of war”
I bet Putin agreed.
Just like we say we will not get involved in a war between china and the USA, we certainly do not deserve America being involved in a war between us and Russia.
3% it is
Let the Euro defend Russia themselves to see if they have enough budget
Let’s make a common army ffs. We’ll spend less individually but we’ll defend ourselves better.
And if America isn’t happy about it, screw them. We wouldn’t need their protection anymore.
5% is too much… unless rest of NATO is going to have war with USA
The US doesn’t even spend 5% of its GDP on its entire defense, never mind the part allocated to NATO. I don’t know why Scholz is even reacting to Trump’s BS. Don’t feed the troll.
US defense spending is only 2.5-3.5% depending on how you count it
Considering the threats we see today 2% seems already enough. We should spend it more efficiently though…
Trump is doing NATO ex US a huge favor with this. It’ll make Europe not need the US anymore. It’s great