La Russia vuole l’Ucraina libera dalla NATO e il mantenimento della Crimea, riferisce Bloomberg

They already had that but tried to take more. Now they should get nothing in addition to their ruined economy and the arrest of Putin for war crimes.

And I want my mortgage paid off and a fully crewed private jet

ruzzia can go fuck itself 🇺🇦🇬🇧🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🇺🇦🇨🇦🇺🇦🫶🏻🫶🏻😎👍

These arrogant demands are very much in line with what the plurality (if not majority) of the oh-so “poor”, “oppressed” and “misunderstood” Ordinary Russian Citizens™ have wanted.

*Since 2022, about half of Russians have consistently supported peace negotiations. But even those respondents embracing peace talks support them only with the condition that Russia retains its recent territorial gains in Ukraine. They are unwilling to accept Russia’s strategic defeat. In recent months, some pollsters have noticed a slight increase of 7–8 percentage points more people in support of peace talks. Some believe this trend might indicate war fatigue spreading within Russian society. However, the pattern is not consistent across various studies.*

It’s not something restricted to Putin and his inner circle. Consistently imposing or assuming a meaningful intellectual division between the Russian ruling class and its subjects is inexcusably misguided and ignorant. It’s related to how Russians have been able to get away with literal (and open) murder for generations despite Westerners’ repeatedly misguided attempts to accommodate, forgive or even excuse the Russians.

*While many Russians have access to true information about what happens in Ukraine, they often choose to avoid facts that challenge their propaganda-crafted preexisting beliefs. Even when such information was offered by their blood relatives, Russians commonly denied and refused to believe the facts, claiming that this evidence was fake. This is likely explained by Russians trying to avoid cognitive dissonance, the mental discomfort people experience when encountering facts challenging their preexisting beliefs. Conversely, many Russians are used to experiencing good feelings when Russia invades other countries. For most of the post-Soviet period, the Kremlin has waged wars of varying intensity, and periodic rallying around the flag has often triggered the sense of belonging to a great country. Indeed, the narratives the Kremlin promoted at the outset of its wars repeatedly boosted the perceptions of collective unity and allowed many Russians to derive their sense of worth from belonging to a large and strong state. For example, in the post-Crimea period, polls recorded that respondents’ own self-respect spiked from 27 percent in July 2012 to 45 percent in August 2014. Why learn the unpleasant truth when propaganda offers a much more satisfying, glorious, and convenient version of reality?*

Like Putin and the rest of the siloviki, more than enough ordinary Russians expect to see this war to the bitter end at the Ukrainians’ expense and on terms favorable to Russia overall. This outcome is consistent with their sinister self-imagination as a nation of invincible and righteous conquerors in the mold of the GоІdеn Ноrdе.

N.B. Excerpted sections from [https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russia-tomorrow/reluctant-consensus-war-and-russias-public-opinion/](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russia-tomorrow/reluctant-consensus-war-and-russias-public-opinion/)

russia Can Get Fucked.

We have been down this road before – when Ukraine gave up its nukes. They should not expect anybody to honour any deal not written in stone. That means NATO membership is a requirement. Anything else is just delaying the inevitable next war.

Of course they do, They are also war criminals, common criminals, murderers, rapists, kidnappers, etc. etc. etc. Why should they get anything?

And I want a pony and a boat. I want to ride my pony on my boat.

It’s interesting they cannot seem to wrap their heads around NATO being a defensive pact that countries willingly join for mutual security, not a malevolent regime of murder an subjugation.

It’s like a gang of criminals saying that they’ll only stop committing crimes when all neighbourhood watch programs are disbanded.

And I want to fuck Scarlett Johansson

Fuck muscovia and whatever the fuck they say they want

How about…..no.

Fukc Vlad and the mini-horse he rode on

Unfortunately for ruzzia no one in NATO other than Trump, and the sycophants in Hungary and Slovakia (although I think Fico is on borrowed time) give a fuck what ruzzia wants. Ukraine will solely determine the terms of peace. And the overwhelming majority of Ukraine’s allies are on record for that condition.

ruzzia is making small gains on some portions of the front line. Ukraine is quite willing to trade a km here and km there for ginormous ruzzian casualties, and in the background it is pursuing a campaign of ruining the ruzzian economy, and producing more and more of its own weapons. Don’t let the ruzzian disinfo campaign of turning a molehill into a mountain in respect of territorial gains convert you into a doubter. Every day the situation becomes more desperate for ruzzia than Ukraine in the greater context of economy and sustainability.

Even the “massive” retaliatory strike by ruzzia today: notice anything about it? It was actually pretty weak in scope, and not nearly as encompassing as either prior strikes or the recent strike by Ukraine, which has already launched another strike tonight.

Putler really hopes to capitalize on Trump’s accession to power on Jan 20th, hoping a quick meeting between them will pump ruzzian efforts to obtain a favorable outcome. But no one else is buying into it.

NATO wants Putin-free eastern countries up to the pacific.

Guess what will come first – Putin’s wishes, or Natos’s wishes. My bet is on NATO, thanks to the unbreakable will and the sacrifice of Ukrainian heroes.

Russia’s stance is like a Necromonger – keep what you kill. No penalties or investigations of war crimes (including MH17); looting of museums; kidnapping of thousands of Ukrainian children; captured Ukrainian land is now Russian; Ukraine not able to ever militarily defend itself; no reparations paid to Ukraine for destruction of purely civilian infrastructure. Oh, and Ukraine is not a participant and has no say in any so-called ‘peace talks’ only Putin and Trump. Seems like a good deal for Russia.

Edit for clarification

Ukraine will decide what is in its best interest, not Russia.

This is not new. The Russians have been saying this for almost 3 years. This is not news it is repetition.

More and more it’s not Ukraine trapped in a fight with Russia, Russia is now trapped in a fight with Ukraine. The longer they hold out the more it will cost them till they implode. Swan Lake anyone?

Putin doesn’t get to demand anything period!

We recreate the 2013 border and russia pays for everything they destroyed plus 30% of that in xtra reparations

Fuck Russia.