L’Irlanda ha il terzo posto per numero di medici con 174 su 100.000
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L’Irlanda ha il terzo posto per numero di medici con 174 su 100.000
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di NanorH
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https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20250116-2
Still can’t get an appointment with my GP
A bit surprising tbh given the insane waiting times, but also fair play to Portugal
Were any of them actually here, though?
There’s a statistic that feels at odds with the kind of … _observed_ reality of folks like myself; I seem to recall a `GPs per 1,000` map of Ireland popped up here a few months back and it showed a really low number of docs per head of population – so what gives here? I feel like there’s a subtle, technical distinction here ‘cos GPs and appointments therein are like hen’s teeth these days.
That is surprising given wait times. Do we have a higher amount of doctors working part time perhaps? What is causing the big blockages?
Where are they? I’m 4 months trying to get a GP to accept me as a patient. Useless morons in the HSE are no help either.
And 90% of them are useless
They probably referred the survey to a specialist and charged Eurostat 60 quid while they were at it
Some EU countries are particularly heavy on GPs being made the gatekeeper of further access into the healthcare system, while others are not and let punters skip straight to the consultant on their own.
It is entirely possible for Ireland to have lots of GPs and still not have enough because it depends on how much of all healthcare lands on them first.
I know in the academic literature on this stuff, the empirical results say putting a layer of GPs in front of the public produces the best outcomes overall. Otherwise consultants tend to do a lot of trivial healthcare which isn’t a good use of their time.
Easier and cheaper to get a doctor in Greece than Ireland. Better hospital services too.
We actually also have the highest number of nurses (and midwives) per capita in the EU by quite a large margin.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Healthcare_personnel_statistics_-_nursing_and_caring_professionals
It’s all quite confusing. I know the general narrative domestically is that the HSE is too admin-heavy and short in health-personnel, but the stats don’t seem to back that. Continental countries are geberally far more admin- and bureaucracy-heavy, so I’m starting to wonder if we’ve all got our health-service problems the wrong way round (or our admin staff are just spectacularly terrible)….
Anecdotally I heard that we train a disproportionate amount of doctors that come here to study and then leave again. Would this skew the numbers?
Please note: as someone who lives in the Netherlands yes we may have more doctors but it will take 3 visits to a GP to get an antibiotic, you will have them openly Google your symptoms in front of you and you need to be bleeding from the eyes to get care.
Compared to most of continental Europe, we have a much more litigious, America-influenced approach when it comes to suing people, including in the health realm, and therefore we also have more processes/paperwork/ass-covering policies from our public administration, perhaps most especially in the health sphere. This means everything is slower, more complex, more costly, and less efficient. It’s not the only explanation for the admin-heavy set-up/general inefficiency, but it contributes.
Quick reminder that when stats are reported by Ireland to the EU and published by Eurostat – Ireland seems to be the best.
When we look at some other sources – Ireland seems to be stuck somewhere between Serbia and Montenegro, and last in terms of wait times: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_Health_Consumer_Index](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_Health_Consumer_Index)
But even then, we have 18% of the population (not the patients – population in total) that have unmet medical needs specifically because of the wait list. That also does not quantify the wait times – it just states the obvious: people are waiting for far too long.
HSE sucks. False stats suck.