Zelenskyj avverte l’Europa: senza di noi siete condannati

this guy is more delusional by the idea. Insane dude

I don’t know. This nato umbrella backed by a billion people seems pretty comfortable.

I don’t think europe is completely doomed, but I agree that nato would be stronger with ukraine. Just look at these warriors, it’s been 3 years in trenches and they are not giving up. We should support as much as we can.

Hahahah, this sub is ridiculous, I swear. Until yesterday it was all “Slava Ukraini!” And “Zelensky is da king!”, but now that he only _mentions_ Europe, suddenly he’s shit and Ukraine should be left on their own.

Really European Union values guys.

It’s the other way around buddy.

Well he’s not wrong in many ways.

Russia could be at the edge of Berlin and we’d still be debating how to respond.

See how long it took for us to react to Covid as a clear example.

Some days I feel that we should take head of the old Roman Empire, in times of trouble they would elect two dictators. One from the upper class and one from the plebs, they’d have the ability to make non votable decisions for a set period of time then would be removed from power.

honestly though if ukraine fell it wouldnt be the end of the world, it would just be a 2nd belarus. yeah we really don’t want that, that causes enough problems already, so we’d rather help ukraine (and also just because it’s the right thing to do, to limit the number of people suffering from opression by foreign powers) but it wouldn’t be the end of the world otherwise.

I hope it doesn’t happen, i’d rather Ukraine (and Belarus eventually) be free countries and push russia back into asia where they came from

Kets blanda up to be doomed together!

Doomed is overselling it. Ukraine has already exposed how poorly Russia would perform against a motivated and well equipped enemy.

Does having Ukraine shield us from Russia greatly benefit Europe, and should we be making that role as painless as possible for them? Absolutely.

Would allowing Russia to take over Ukraine and her natural and human resources make Russia a bigger threat to Europe? Absolutely.

We need to stop pretending that we’re generously helping Ukraine by supporting them. They’re helping us by defending our borders with Russia with their lives.

Not just militarily. Ukraine is a country that should be seen as the most precious ally Europe can find.

Ukraine has the largest supply of chernozem, the most fertile agricultural soil on Earth. To add to this, it is located outside of the warming effects of the Gulf stream, which heats Western Europe to its currently known climate. In the event of the Gulf stream weakening or stopping completely, Western countries will experience a new ice age, their current agriculture will be devastated. Any form of agricultural production will only remain uninterrupted around Poland, Hungary, Serbia, Greece, and east of these countries. Ukraine could be our insurance against mass starvation, not being affected by the Gulf stream.