L’UE vuole scansionare ogni messaggio inviato in Europa. Questo ci renderà davvero più sicuri?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/24/eu-digital-surveillance-child-protection
di prinoxy
L’UE vuole scansionare ogni messaggio inviato in Europa. Questo ci renderà davvero più sicuri?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/24/eu-digital-surveillance-child-protection
di prinoxy
43 commenti
Of course you can set up databases like this to track people who are inconvenient for the system, not just criminals.
What could possibly go wrong.
1984 was a long time ago anyway and the Pegasus tool is already being used by Western secret services, so what difference does it make.
We should also introduce the obligation to use a clear name on the Internet and abolish cash and the last remnants of banking secrecy.
Elections should also only take place digitally.
Idk know about other nations but it will be against the constitution in Denmark if they do.
“Think of the children” is such a ridicilous cover for mass surveillance.
Its safer than sending it to China that is for sure.
This is pretty much assuming everyone is a criminal/intending to commit crime… I am definitely against. Not to mention the other possible applications of such mass surveillance.
Government overreach, thy name is Europe
They are so fucking persistent on this you just know it will eventually pass
They just want to know what you’re saying. They are using the excuse of tracking criminals and terrorists as justification for monitoring the public.
Nope because its bullshit. People that plot bad things will not even “send” their stuff… They use things like digital dead mailboxes etc. Or even use in game chat from games. They dont send Mails and even if so surly not plain texted.. Maybe encrypted as a datafile.
I’m curious to see how they do it:
– constitutions in each country are different and most of them are against this
– E2E encryption would prevent anyone to read the content of the messages and the keys are personal and unique to each device and can’t be sniffed in the channel.
– they have to ask the IM provider to decrypt (where possible) the messages.
Is way quicker to sneak bots in large WA or Telegram groups and read the messages but even in that case, is probably against many constitutions.
Ah yes, the pedophile overlords want to abuse their citizens.
No. Every person suggesting this should immediately be taken into custody, all their hard drives, technology and assets seized and searched, and publicly showed to the masses. I’m confident 90% of these people will have material on there that is illegal in nature, not to mention the massive amounts of sexual exploitive materials they must have.
No exceptions. This is how you actually gain trust with citizens.
There is no point. In Germany there are already people known to the police with criminal and mental illness history running around and killing people every other week. There is no point in surveillance, if there are no consequences, or actual policing.
Again?! They are relentlessly trying! They won’t stop until we give all our privacy away, they only need to win one time, and after our rights are, THEY GONE!!
I don’t think so. One of europe’s best practices is the privacy and data collection laws, and this would fucking kill most of their purpose.
yes you will be as safe as in prison, it also will create neverchaging political powers, you know dictators
This not the way to go. Innocent until proven guilty? Without knowing i imagine that if you were one of those low lifes, who wanted to do harm. You already knew another way? Its an excuse for control, as i see it.
Opening each envelope in the mail and reading every postcard sounds very sovjet russia
It’s not like Europe doesn’t have any relatively recent experience of some countries having and using information like this to oppress political opponents. It’s not that long ago that a large chunk of Europe had to deal with secret police and intrusive monitoring of citizens for control.
You can see what happens when a liberal democracy takes a turn towards authoritarianism — Trump, Orban, PiS, AfD etc etc etc
Do we really want to create the tools that can be easily repurposed and abused ?!
Very scary
The EU can scan this 🍑
Instead of being the better example in the world; assume everyone is a fellon (oh, politicians are excluded…)
Another argument to not want it: imagine something happening like in the US right now, with a hard pull towards fascism. Imagine what a fascist government can do with such information. Not only for citizens but also for other politicians that now think this is a good idea. If we allow such mass surveillance, we will all be screwed sooner or later.
People keep complaining that the EU is behind in AI. And then also complain when the EU wants to implement data havesting.
Make up your minds.
Well, QIP is back on the menue boys
Why are the social democrats of all people pushing so fucking hard for this. Like give it up??? This is why so many people vote for epp and renew instead??
Nope.
None of this shit is meant to “protect” the kids.
Kids are diddled by people in their entourage who keep their shit hidden. This law won’t do anything against that sort of behavior.
No.
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/
No, but the fascist oligarchs will love it
if they really want this mass surveillance/mass control then force only the people who are for it to test it for 30 years to make sure it works and show the public everything they send since they would naturally be willing to become test subjects for their own cause right?
Everyone lost their minds whenever they hear about China’s surveillance on their citizens and ID requirement for websites etc. Now, are they really want us to praise this?
Say a bold sorry to China or stop being hypocrats.
Can we pass a law to make it illegal to propose this shit?
Yes , yes yes , i want the government to see what i do online , to know everything i search , who i talk to . I trust my government and I’m willing to give them access to whatever they want in the name of safety and national security /s
Alright, I’m sure these EU MEPs won’t have any issue turning their phones over to the public to have their messages published then?
right and you want someone like Orban to have access to stuff like this?
can we vote them out?
It’s not too protect the children. It’s about them knowing that people are beginning to revolt against the system and to stop more people like Luigi, who might want to and begin to organise and come together to challenge the system.
They want to monitor encrypted chats to shut it down before it grows and challenges their hold on power.
Soon we will all be guilty until proven innocent.
All censorship and surveillance is to be opposed in all its forms and with any means necessary. If the EU wishes to completely lose any sort of clout or trust among its citizens it’ll implement both. Europe MUST accept privacy as its ideal, not totalitarian control.
It’s a matter of time before those who exchange messages through an encrypted service, find another alternative.
I think it harms those with no ill intentions more. Now it’s to fight terrorism and CP, next you know it, they come knocking at your door because you sent a funny meme to a friend because it infringes on copyright or some BS.
With laws and regulations installed like this, who knows what the future policy might be; but the door is wide open…
EU-fanboys accusing everyone else of being a fascist but then sweeping this under the carpet… Why are the dots not connecting? The mere suggestion of such a measure should spark insurrection throughout Europe. They’ve got us all by the balls.
I’m all for this as long as there are 0 exceptions as to who is under this surveylance. In other words, no exceptions when it comes to politicians, and especially children since this legislation is for children’s safety.
Read as: Not really.
This AGAIN? Christ almighty.
America generating trillions of new investment in cutting edge tech while Europe is busy doing this kind of stuff