Ucraini in Irlanda: “all’improvviso è come se avessi perso interesse per noi”
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/01/27/ukrainians-in-ireland-all-of-a-sudden-its-like-youve-lost-interest-in-us/
di PoppedCork
Ucraini in Irlanda: “all’improvviso è come se avessi perso interesse per noi”
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/01/27/ukrainians-in-ireland-all-of-a-sudden-its-like-youve-lost-interest-in-us/
di PoppedCork
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Have people lost interest in them? I think they might now be finding out what we have known for years that the government is inept
I am not sure if it just me but I feel like most of them were ungrateful, seen so much articles about them being unhappy with moving hotels or schools when we were giving them so much.
We’re probably concentrating on the real problem right now . Why is it when you go to Tesco for milk and a bag of jellies e.c.t , your €40 euro poorer .
The cost of everything is obscene. We’ve our own survival issues to worry about .
It is incredibly sad to see this, especially as the vast majority of Irish people want to help those in need. Why haven’t the government gone ahead and organised proper front door accommodation for these people so they put down roots here?
What did they expect? That the state would keep them in that hotel forever? That they’d build them all their own free houses in those communities? It was inevitable that they’d be uprooted eventually
If they think this is bad just wait until the war is over.
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We haven’t.
I can’t speak on behalf of anyone other than myself and my friends whom I know and talk to about this, we haven’t lost interest and we hope for your victory. Just FYI, myself and my two children painted a few thousand grains of wheat onto a cloth where other volunteers also painted wheat grains. Eventually there was a million grains painted (representing the victims of the holodomor), this was presented to irelands Ukrainian ambassador.
I mean, get a job and pay rent like the rest of us.
We haven’t forgotten, we just can’t keep people indefinitely in private accommodation when numbers are reducing and contracts are ending.
We’re not kicking anyone out and they have plenty of rights when it comes to finding work and their own accommodation.
Lads ye are basically treated as EU citizens here. You can work as you please unlike other refugees. Some of you have been here 3 years working and living in state provided accomodation getting subsidised travel, food ect. Time to get out and pay rent like everyone else. You’re no different from Italians, Polish or French for your rights
My mam befriended a family. Lovely people but rich. Upper crust Ukrainians. Took what they could here. They still here. Husband does a bit of work but just flooting around really. Get real. All of the overly progressive knobs on here from 2-5 years ago can f@ck off too
Also they went home a bunch of times on hols. Piss off
i think its the fact their has been a steep increase on terms of the cost of living re: the war ( look at energy costs which still havent came back down , jan 2022 i was paying 17c per/unit , and im sill paying 30c per/unit also the fact its been what 3ish years , most of the european leaders expected the war to end after the second year
Yet when Sinn Fein raised the same sentiment on the election debate on immigration as many on here, Sarah McInerney of RTE launched a clearly partisan attack on them.
Letting FFG most notably James Browne of FF get away with spoofing and deflection to SF. And yet many people voted for more of the same.
About 200 Ukrainians are being housed in the former Pontoon Bridge Hotel between BBallina and Castlebar. Most don’t have cars. Jobs around this part of Mayo aren’t exactly easy to come by, especially as the bus service isn’t like a commuter service in any of the cities. How are they supposed to ‘find a job’?Additionally, they are , all of them, without power, heat, water, scavenging wood off the side of the road to heat hot water for drinking over barbecues outside. Many are elderly and small children. Power is only scheduled to return on maybe the 1st of February. One would think that restoring power to the hotel full of vulnerable people would be a priority. They have no relatves locally to help out, and can’t easily get to sgops, nor can they eat in cafés to tide themselves over…
I’m mean, yeh??? It’s been how long at this stage? They have had plenty of time to learn English and settle into Irish life
Should be complaining at Putin not us
Our pockets aren’t bottomless unfortunately.
I still think the majority of Irish are behind Ukraine infact I don’t even have to think about it we are def 100% for Ukraine but time is a killer and we don’t have unlimited resources. I wish we did and I wish this was would end and would hope the EU would get behind rebuilding Ukraine it’s horrible what’s happened. Have a colleague whose been here for years the poor woman looks distraught every few weeks like another friend was just killed over there!
We haven’t forgotten we just can’t keep things forever the same way.
Hopefully Russia is nearing the end of its ability to sustain a war and then a cleanup and defencing against Russia for the future can happen
Very ragebait headline from the Irish times I have to say, fairly disgusting of them really.
The issue they talk about in this is that they’ve been place in (expensive) temporary accommodation since 2022 and they’ve actually integrated into the local community (which the government has also funded).
Now the government says those temporary accommodation contracts are too expensive (they probably are) and they have to relocate people, potentially across the country. Which obviously undermines a lot of the integration work.
Could they find and pay for accommodation themselves? I mean we know what the rental crises is like so probably not. At the same time locals have to pay that or live with their parents so it can be hard to see them get “preferential” treatment.
I’m not sure what can be done really, if we didn’t have an accommodation crisis this wouldn’t be a problem.
I do think proper integration is very very important and stuff like this comes with unaccounted for social costs but it’s also difficult to see the insane amount of money we’re spending on these contracts too.
“Jesus lads, I’m not certain if this is going to work out, doesn’t seem like it’s gonna be sustainable long term to me..”
“Shut up, this is how it’s going down and it’ll all be grand..”
*2 / 3 years later*
“I’ve just come to the realization that this may not be sustainable long term..”
This comes across as quite ungrateful. Ireland has been very welcoming, and many Ukrainians have been provided with state accommodation for nearly three years. It’s understandable that, at some point, everyone has to begin seeking their own housing, just like the rest of us. Going to the press with comments like this only risks fueling anti-immigration sentiments and giving ammunition to those on the far right who are calling for stricter policies.
I’m assuming there are bot accounts in the replies here given the response.
The people interviewed have jobs. Here are the other stats provided:
>A total of 113,636 Ukrainians have been granted temporary protection in Ireland since the war began in 2022. Nearly a quarter of these have since left Ireland, with just over 86,000 still living here, according to Government estimates.Some 22,943 are in employment and 26,654 receive income support, according to the latest data; 19,512 children are in school and preschool, and 20,274 are enrolled in further education.
The breakdown doesnt specific how many are stay at home parents or how many are fluent in English. Given the extremely high cost of rental and childcare, and that it would be impossible for a Ukrainian to get a mortgage, its beyond reasonable expectation for the vast majority to be unable to get anywhere near the rental market. Also given a choice between a Ukrainian refugee, who could leave Ireland at any stage to return home, and someone a bit more solid in Ireland, landlords are more likely to lean away from refugees.
Continuing to support Ukrainians is the right thing to do. Given you know, their country has been invaded by a rogue country committing war crimes. God knows how many of them have lost family and friends in the invasion, or have loved ones fighting for their country.
So if anyone thinks Ukranians have it better than you, do you want to swap places?
It is weird how many Irish people in comments blame Ukrainian refugees for getting crumbs of the social welfare while irish politicians are re directing rivers of tax payers cash into their landlord palls pockets. Lol all these rents the government pays for Ukrainian refugees lands with a thigh circle of people who are just making new policies and new ways of making that river deeper. War in ukraine is good for lot of people, refugees are not among those people.
If you are angry for your own situation, blame our government not the refugees. Are there really people here who think that tax payers money used for housing Ukrainians would be distributed to irish people if refugees were not here?
Dream on. We went from covid to the refugee crisis and in both of those same people made tons of money from their government palls signing policies ” to address crises” turning their properties from government sponsored covid vaccination centers into refugee centers. Some hotels in dublin operate at full capacity from 2019.
i’m sure it’s a coincidence that mere days after the new government was under the microscope for their dealings with lowry and trying to game the system for speaking time, that the irish times are suddenly once again running articles about immigrants with misleading inflammatory headlines.
Some people have made the wrong impression. Then on the other hand, we have a housing and cost of living crisis and the government was able to step in and build prefab homes to house Ukrainians, not their fault but this has left some people feeling alienated and forgotten by their own government. The vast majority of Irish people welcomed Ukrainians and other refugees with open arms but the country is beyond capacity in terms of services and housing. Anyone saying “plenty of empty gaffs about” is delibrately missing the point.
Shite rage mongering headline.
They can f**k off, they travelled 3000km, passing 25+ other absolutely fine countries, to come and get THREE years of free accommodation off our idiotic government. Time to start paying for themselves or head home like half of them have been doing (and leaving hotel rooms empty) for “holidays” anyway.
Irish Under 30’s, Refugees from any other non-EU location; “First time?”
It might appear cold-hearted to drop their support, but this isn’t without advanced warning given that the €800/m payments had a cutoff date.
It also isn’t that the many under temporary accommodation are getting booted out and left to find shelter themselves – they are being relocated to another shelter. There are equally other non-Ukrainian refugees who haven’t recieved 800/m for the last 3 years who are likely also being relocated to ease pressure on the system (itself being an issue related to the government’s poor domestic planning for housing, lack of sufficient transport infrastructure to connect refugee communities to centralised areas to allow intergration and a stable life, etc).
Ukrainians are one of the largest refugee groups at the moment across Europe which is why they are getting the attention placed on their plight, but equally they are highlighting the underlying issues many countries have balancing the needs of its refugees with the needs of its citizens. There are many Nigerians, Syrians, Afghanis, Somalians, Ethiopians, and so on who are all suffering and being ignored by the same system that is failing those seeking refuge and support, the same one that’s failing the locals who are also in need.
They are getting a lot of benefits not typically available to even our citizens or any asylum seekers. Including free education, the ARP payment and being allowed to go back to Ukraine for visits, childrens allowance and other supports.
Lost interest? We’re paying for you!
The vast majority of us still care, I think, massively. This is a really shit situation though. To undo all the work of integration and settling like this is tragic. I’m sure it’s unavoidable in some instances but hopefully it’s happening as little as possible
And it’s only going to get worse for Ukraine as Trump pulls away the financial military aid and then foreign-made in general. Other countries will moan but will promptly follow suit.
Domestically the taxpayer cannot afford to indefinitely accommodate and service the needs of these migrants. Arguably there are standards of living are higher than those of the lowermost social economic class here. That is just unfair and is not going to work long term.
We unfortunately haven’t forgotten about ye or lost interest in ye personally, but we are reminded daily that ye get more benefits and subsidies from the Irish govt than us Irish citizens get.
Ye are put up in State paid accommodation, given medical and dental cards, still able to work full time as if you’re being treated as an EU citizen, but also receiving the benefits that an unemployed person gets.
We are reminded daily that ye are here and taking advantage of our social welfare systems while our own people sleep on the streets or worry about paying their bills.
I haven’t lost interest. I hope they stay here long term, great people and I’m proud of the little bit we did to help them
Go fight for your country
We have enough to be contending with ourselves to be worrying about everyone else. They’re being well looked after in fairness.