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Breifne21 on
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grotham on
>Martin says Russia is now on a war economy footing, with the ability to manufacture weapons at a speed and scale with which others cannot compete.
>“They can do more [weapons manufacturing] in three months than the West can do in 12 months,” Martin offers.
Schrodinger’s Russia, they’re near economic collapse and ruin, but also they’re able to manufacture weapons 4 times faster than the richest economies in the world.
isogaymer on
This man was the Minister for Foreign Affairs for he past three years, as well as another four year stint in 2008(!). If Irish people are missing a big part of the picture when it comes to geopolitics and international affairs, isn’t it possible that is because we had Foreign Affairs Minister who failed to communicate effectively with the public?
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Pabrinex on
>Martin said: “There’s a real fear, particularly among the Baltics, Poland as well, Finland are concerned, obviously, more concerned if Ukraine falls. Or, if there’s peace, that merely means that Russia can pull back, replenish and come again. That means Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, in particular, feel very much under pressure. Some of those countries are cutting back in public expenditure to spend on defence capabilities. They’re so fearful, and it’s existential.
>“We need to understand that this is not these countries being war-mongers, or anything like that, these countries are genuinely fearful because they’ve had history with Russia.”
>In remarks that were not widely picked up here but which show the headspace others are in, Poland’s foreign affairs minister this week suggested that the EU should explore the idea of establishing a “rearmament bank” to raise the money it needs to ramp up its defence capabilities and deter Russian aggression.
>Martin says Russia is now on a war economy footing, with the ability to manufacture weapons at a speed and scale with which others cannot compete.
>Micheál Martin in his office at Government Buildings, Dublin. Picture: Gareth Chaney
Micheál Martin in his office at Government Buildings, Dublin. Picture: Gareth Chaney
“They can do more [weapons manufacturing] in three months than the West can do in 12 months,” Martin offers.
>“Whether we like it or not, Ireland can’t stop countries who feel an existential threat from doing what they have to do to protect themselves. **Some countries are spending 4% to 5% [of GDP] — the [Baltics] in particular — on security and it’s a genuine fear. And I don’t think that genuine fear is appreciated in Ireland**.”
>Asked about the fact that Irish political discourse is at a remove from very real discussions on defence that are happening across Europe, Martin says: “You’ve described it very well, you used the phrase ‘blissfully unaware’. I had the same feeling last Monday at the meeting [of European leaders], **I was listening to country after country, and I was thinking; there’s no awareness in Ireland about this at all**.
>“And it’s not that Europe wants a war, it doesn’t, obviously it doesn’t want a war, but there’s real fear in Europe about the Russian agenda and events.”
wamesconnolly on
He is going to scrap our neutrality and commit us to a defence pact that costs billions per year. He won’t bring it to a vote because in spite of what Reddit says it would never pass. We are going to have an austerity government for no reason except putting every cent towards investors / “””competitiveness””” / defence industry deals where he will get richer than ever. Him and the EU are also desperately rushing this because Trump is saying he’s going to force a ceasefire. Even a very shit ceasefire completely fumbles the bag.
KosmicheRay on
He is an Educationalist.
Fast_Ingenuity390 on
Micheál is a politician who will have been in the Dáil for four decades at the end of this term, when he’ll be heading into his own eighth decade.
He’s been in government on and off for 28 years, and his solitary achievement in all that time was in 2004, over twenty years ago.
It’s fairly clear that this is an old man in his twilight years in public life, desperately looking for a legacy, and he’s decided that that legacy is to be Ireland in Nato, regardless of whether we want to be in Nato or not.
Important_Farmer924 on
Doom scrollers everywhere are delighted.
Another day, another NATO thread. Wake me when there are grown ups in charge.
Margrave75 on
I for one will will welcome our new Russian overlords.
First order of buisness, rename the capital Dublingrad.
Professional_1981 on
I think we’re much more aware of the threats to Ireland than we’re given credit for.
However when they say Russia Russia Russia, we look around and see equally aggressive and increasingly oppressive states like the USA, and UK, as well as non state actors and we wonder why the likes of Micheál Martin are pointing only at one of these. There are more threats out there to protect what we own from than just Russia.
AnT-aingealDhorcha40 on
Micheál has an absolute stiffy for Ireland joining the “EU Army” and then NATO. Remember when he tried to shoehorn it in a few years back. Dont fall for the act. He is being pressured by the EU to fall in line.
MrAndyJay on
How about…. We make friends with Russia, fuck Europe, fuck America, and remain independently neutral. Might be fun.
HandsomeBWunderbar on
He is determined to shackle us to NATO and therefore American foreign policy.
I’ve never like the man but this beyond his usual unscrupulous machinations.
Neutrality is a vital part of the countries foundation, sacrificing it now, when American allies can blatantly commit genocide, would be incredibly dangerous.
We don’t want to be guilty by association or worse complicit.
Predrag26 on
I feel like these remarks are aimed as much at Michael D Higgins and his recent remarks on NATO spending, as they are the general public. It might also be geared towards an international audience with this in mind.
Higgins might say a lot of good things, but IMO his remarks on this one were disgraceful and embarrassing. I think it’s unforgivable that any Irish President would chide small nations seeking to defend themselves from a bigger bully, given our history.
It was widely reported on abroad and has done a lot of damage to the reputation of this State, also highlighting some of the hypocrisy of our own system of defence.
Leavser1 on
Jesus the last few months this government is really pushing to change our foreign policy. We are a neutral country.
I accept we need to increase defence spending. However we should not be funding foreign armies. Should not be getting involved in wars in Finland, Poland etc.
Yeah Russia are bastards but they’re not invading us
Old-Ad5508 on
I think we absolutely she be spending more on naval and air defence assets. I don’t think we should join nato. Ireland has a lot of soft power part of which is maintaining some level of a neutral stance on paper.
Military budget is increasing t0 1,5 billion or thereabouts in my opinion we should be spending 5x that on our Military
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I guess if there were an expert on blissfully unaware
Archive version please
>Martin says Russia is now on a war economy footing, with the ability to manufacture weapons at a speed and scale with which others cannot compete.
>“They can do more [weapons manufacturing] in three months than the West can do in 12 months,” Martin offers.
Schrodinger’s Russia, they’re near economic collapse and ruin, but also they’re able to manufacture weapons 4 times faster than the richest economies in the world.
This man was the Minister for Foreign Affairs for he past three years, as well as another four year stint in 2008(!). If Irish people are missing a big part of the picture when it comes to geopolitics and international affairs, isn’t it possible that is because we had Foreign Affairs Minister who failed to communicate effectively with the public?
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>Martin said: “There’s a real fear, particularly among the Baltics, Poland as well, Finland are concerned, obviously, more concerned if Ukraine falls. Or, if there’s peace, that merely means that Russia can pull back, replenish and come again. That means Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, in particular, feel very much under pressure. Some of those countries are cutting back in public expenditure to spend on defence capabilities. They’re so fearful, and it’s existential.
>“We need to understand that this is not these countries being war-mongers, or anything like that, these countries are genuinely fearful because they’ve had history with Russia.”
>In remarks that were not widely picked up here but which show the headspace others are in, Poland’s foreign affairs minister this week suggested that the EU should explore the idea of establishing a “rearmament bank” to raise the money it needs to ramp up its defence capabilities and deter Russian aggression.
>Martin says Russia is now on a war economy footing, with the ability to manufacture weapons at a speed and scale with which others cannot compete.
>Micheál Martin in his office at Government Buildings, Dublin. Picture: Gareth Chaney
Micheál Martin in his office at Government Buildings, Dublin. Picture: Gareth Chaney
“They can do more [weapons manufacturing] in three months than the West can do in 12 months,” Martin offers.
>“Whether we like it or not, Ireland can’t stop countries who feel an existential threat from doing what they have to do to protect themselves. **Some countries are spending 4% to 5% [of GDP] — the [Baltics] in particular — on security and it’s a genuine fear. And I don’t think that genuine fear is appreciated in Ireland**.”
>Asked about the fact that Irish political discourse is at a remove from very real discussions on defence that are happening across Europe, Martin says: “You’ve described it very well, you used the phrase ‘blissfully unaware’. I had the same feeling last Monday at the meeting [of European leaders], **I was listening to country after country, and I was thinking; there’s no awareness in Ireland about this at all**.
>“And it’s not that Europe wants a war, it doesn’t, obviously it doesn’t want a war, but there’s real fear in Europe about the Russian agenda and events.”
He is going to scrap our neutrality and commit us to a defence pact that costs billions per year. He won’t bring it to a vote because in spite of what Reddit says it would never pass. We are going to have an austerity government for no reason except putting every cent towards investors / “””competitiveness””” / defence industry deals where he will get richer than ever. Him and the EU are also desperately rushing this because Trump is saying he’s going to force a ceasefire. Even a very shit ceasefire completely fumbles the bag.
He is an Educationalist.
Micheál is a politician who will have been in the Dáil for four decades at the end of this term, when he’ll be heading into his own eighth decade.
He’s been in government on and off for 28 years, and his solitary achievement in all that time was in 2004, over twenty years ago.
It’s fairly clear that this is an old man in his twilight years in public life, desperately looking for a legacy, and he’s decided that that legacy is to be Ireland in Nato, regardless of whether we want to be in Nato or not.
Doom scrollers everywhere are delighted.
Another day, another NATO thread. Wake me when there are grown ups in charge.
I for one will will welcome our new Russian overlords.
First order of buisness, rename the capital Dublingrad.
I think we’re much more aware of the threats to Ireland than we’re given credit for.
However when they say Russia Russia Russia, we look around and see equally aggressive and increasingly oppressive states like the USA, and UK, as well as non state actors and we wonder why the likes of Micheál Martin are pointing only at one of these. There are more threats out there to protect what we own from than just Russia.
Micheál has an absolute stiffy for Ireland joining the “EU Army” and then NATO. Remember when he tried to shoehorn it in a few years back. Dont fall for the act. He is being pressured by the EU to fall in line.
How about…. We make friends with Russia, fuck Europe, fuck America, and remain independently neutral. Might be fun.
He is determined to shackle us to NATO and therefore American foreign policy.
I’ve never like the man but this beyond his usual unscrupulous machinations.
Neutrality is a vital part of the countries foundation, sacrificing it now, when American allies can blatantly commit genocide, would be incredibly dangerous.
We don’t want to be guilty by association or worse complicit.
I feel like these remarks are aimed as much at Michael D Higgins and his recent remarks on NATO spending, as they are the general public. It might also be geared towards an international audience with this in mind.
Higgins might say a lot of good things, but IMO his remarks on this one were disgraceful and embarrassing. I think it’s unforgivable that any Irish President would chide small nations seeking to defend themselves from a bigger bully, given our history.
It was widely reported on abroad and has done a lot of damage to the reputation of this State, also highlighting some of the hypocrisy of our own system of defence.
Jesus the last few months this government is really pushing to change our foreign policy. We are a neutral country.
I accept we need to increase defence spending. However we should not be funding foreign armies. Should not be getting involved in wars in Finland, Poland etc.
Yeah Russia are bastards but they’re not invading us
I think we absolutely she be spending more on naval and air defence assets. I don’t think we should join nato. Ireland has a lot of soft power part of which is maintaining some level of a neutral stance on paper.
Military budget is increasing t0 1,5 billion or thereabouts in my opinion we should be spending 5x that on our Military