Zelenskyy: “Siamo onesti ora non possiamo escludere la possibilità che l’America possa dire” no “in Europa su questioni che la minacciano. (…) Dobbiamo costruire le forze armate dell’Europa in modo che il futuro dell’Europa dipenda solo su Europei. “

This is the truth – this serves his needs (yes) but it also serves the needs of Europe – we cannot rely on the US and we need to neutralise the Russian threat. We need to support Ukraine and then make them part of the EU. Sod the US and sod Russia.

He is absolutely right, there is no alternative – Europe needs to stand on its own feet and not be dependent on anyone, ESPECIALLY militarily.

With Europe made weapons and nuclear weapons.

29 weak, underfunded individual european armies or one big, mean, respected european military force

what is it gonna be Europe?

Might say no? They did already, fuck that fascist country. We need to fix Ukraine and then start preparing to liberate the US from it’s fascist dictator ( when their own population finally dees the truth, otherwise its impossible )

A thing that we know since Georgia, but we choose to ignore. After 2014, it was reality dumb to keep our defense in American hands.

Here is the simple truth: USA is gone. They are already de facto gone. At best, we should treat them the same way we treat China. If they help Ukraine, it will be only because Ukraine offered them a good deal on minerals or something like that, and it will be only as long as USA believes to directly materially benefit from such a deal.

We need to stop listening to what Americans say, or caring about what they do, or in any way expecting them to do anything to help Europe except maybe at a high price, and even then they will backstab us at the first opportunity if offered a better deal by someone else. NATO members should already start acting like USA isn’t a member and is as at least as distant to it as, say, Brazil is.

Trump, Musk, Vance, and everyone who they have appointed to work for them, and everyone who supports them, they are all soulless ghouls who are insanely evil, ignorant, selfish, habitual liars, and have zero sense of any sort of higher ideals like freedom, democracy, honour, solidarity, or friendship. Or even basic rationality and reason.

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Europe has the wealth and population to be a world power and even a superpower all on its own without relying on anyone else (although we of course want to engage in mutually beneficial trade and agreements with others where possible). We certainly can stand up to fucking Russia with its 1/4 of the population and economy the size of Italy, and help Ukraine defeat them. Even if it requires direct intervention of some sort, although we can already do a lot just by actually being willing to give Ukraine all the equipment we possibly can.

As a first step, European leaders should unequivocally state that our goal in Ukraine is victory, a complete Ukrainian victory with all territory returned, reparations from Russia, the whole package, and that we will do everything in our power to make it so. None of this “as long as it takes” with vague expressions towards some sort of peace. A peace where Russia gets nothing except its right to exist as a state is already better than Russia really deserves.

This is the only reasonable action to do. Fucking Trump just said that Russia should keep what they “conquered” in last two years. If this is “reasonable” to him, then what stops him from saying the same after Russia attacks east flank of NATO?

3 years… 3 Years to come to a conclusion and do something. Europe slacked and history is repeating itself… in Munich of all places. Jesus Crist… Dont depend on Capitalistic USA to do decision that will benefit you. Never.

I think destiny of Europe shouldn’t be depend on voting of some rural suburbia rednecks with IQ lower room temperature. 

The USA was not built for, nor founded on, isolation. We are fucked.

Fully agree. Europe needs to stop sleeping and trusting the US as their elections can completely change the country in a day.