Il discorso di Monaco di JD Vance ha messo a nudo il crollo dell’alleanza transatlantica
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/15/jd-vance-munich-speech-laid-bare-collapse-transatlantic-alliance-us-europe
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Il discorso di Monaco di JD Vance ha messo a nudo il crollo dell’alleanza transatlantica
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/15/jd-vance-munich-speech-laid-bare-collapse-transatlantic-alliance-us-europe
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Time for an EU army.
Also ban twitter ffs it’s just a propaganda machine at this point.
It’s remarkable how unprepared for all this European leaders seem to be. It all feels very 1930s…
The US already violated NATO Articles 1 and 2, so not much surprise any longer.
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**TL;DR:**
• JD Vance, the US vice-president, spoke at the Munich Security Conference. His 22-minute speech has the potential to be the most consequential.
• It was a call to arms for the populist right to be able to seize power in Europe. Vance said: “Under Donald Trump’s leadership, we will defend your right to offer it in the public square – agree or disagree” The greatest danger to Europe, Vance claimed, was not Russia, not China, but the “danger from within” An entrenched elite had instrumentalised the judiciary, eroded freedom of speech to keep their cartel in power, annulled elections in Romania on flimsy intelligence and run away from voters’ valid concerns about mass migration.
• If it did not, he warned, Germany might not survive, since no democracy would survive ‘telling millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their hopes, their requests for help are invalid’ The message was implicit, but clear. Nato was founded in the cold war as an expression of US determination to defend shared western values.
• If those values were no longer shared, then the moral purpose of Nato itself fell away.
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The United States of Judas.
I’m betting a lot of people here are really missing Biden right about now.
Just imagine that maybe Vance is worse than DJT. People are trying to weather the next 47 months. This party might just be getting started.
I understand why European leaders are in shock. The international policy of any state, especially in the west, was relatively predictable regardless of domestic policy. You could expect roughly the same overall stance and approach regardless of who was in power: Clinton or Bush, Thatcher or Blair, Schroeder or Merkel, etc.
Now the USA may have a radically different international strategy depending on who won the presidential elections.
This make them unreliable, but this may not be unwelcomed by many global actors (China, India, etc.) as it fits with a multi-polar, interes-driven (instead of value-driven) world order. It’s easier to trade and recognize each other’s area of influence when you know your opponent has a clear selfish agenda.
Europe, and the EU in particular, is not necessary powerless in this new scenario (I actually believe it may emerge stronger than now), but it has to adapt quickly.
I don’t remember who gave the interview, but it was one of the pro Russian well known figures who said at the beginning of the war that not only would Russia eventually win, but that the Ukraine war would be the death of NATO.
I laughed when I heard that thinking no way, but he was right. This is the end of NATO and Russia is going to win. Crazy times we live in.
I’m an American and I just want to put it out there that I would be totally ok being liberated if you guys are into it
JD Vanc’s other actions also highlighted that the US is now actively engaged in promoting right wing extremism in the world, especially those with neo-nazi agendas.
It’s the collapse of the discount lunch.
You want America to defend you? You better support American values then.
For far too long Europe had the audacity to claim to be a superpower when it had minimal control on it’s own energy, military, borders and trade. Out of those all of them are offered by the Americans, Russians and Chinese. NONE OF THEM BY EUROPE.
You want to stand by America’s side? You better work your ass to deserve it, right now Europe deserves nothing.
Years of grandstanding, moralizing and lecturing Americans were never going to end well, especially when Americans offer you the existence of your project. If the Americans pull out tomorrow, Europe is no more.
So how could a place so fragile even challenge anyone? The fact that Europe got away with the GDPR is nothing short of a miracle.
Yes Europe needs to develop it’s own military, it’s own energy, it’s own border security and even it’s own trade routes, until then it can’t complain about what the Americans do or do not. For far too long Europe was subsidized and pampered to the point that asking it to spend even more on defense would cause a recession. How can you even claim to be strong when you have a war on your borders, a bunch of failing states, migration issues and you can’t even afford to spend 5% on it?
Spending money on those means less money on all social programs, like it or not, the free lunch is over.
It also showed that the U.S. Is no longer a leader of the free world, but a regressive state with totalitarian tendencies.
It is not the “collapse of the transatlantic alliance”. It is US politicians, bought and paid by billionaires and Russia, abandoning 90 years of cooperation with allies.
hillbilly inaneness
Imagine if Putin had managed to get a stooge into the White House, would what we’re seeing now be any different?
The best political speech since Reagan. Awesome. Right back to first principles.
I think Vance did the EU a favor by being straightforward, and not in a Trump style bombastic manner. And I think this feeling represents the American populace. But it’s not a negative view of Europe, but more of a need to focus on fixing our broken and bankrupt nation.
I think if anything, after this speech it’s really time to throw some strong regulations on American social media and the extremist echo-chambered brainrot they spread into society.
I’ve seen this idiot on social media making stupid uninformed comments. Now I see the same idiot standing in front of European leaders, saying that he is not that concerned over a European country being invaded by Russia, and that the real issue is repression of freedom of speech (lack of protection of racist propaganda) is the real issue and then goes off to have lunch with the local lunatic racist party (which is also pro Russia). It’s surreal
“May you live in interesting times” sounds more and more like a curse.