I piani dell’Ucraina di Trump significano un conto da $ 3 trilioni per gli alleati europei
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-02-12/trump-s-new-plan-to-end-the-russia-ukraine-war-might-break-europe?utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business
di WoodpeckerDue7236
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Capture each European political rat that stands with Russia. If they don’t want to save themselves then we’ll do it for them. I think you know who I’m talking about
He can’t make plans with other people’s money. Lol
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Saved you a click: it’s $3T over 10 years, or $300B per year.
If all NATO member states actually increase their military budgets to 2% of GDP, it should be enough money
european sovereignty means a 3 trillion bill. we have to be prepared for that
For decades, Eastern Europe has been saying the same thing: stop Russia now because it’s much cheaper than dealing with it in the future. Europe swallowed the invasion of Georgia, have not provided lethal aid to Ukraine after 2014, and in 2022, just weeks before the invasion, Germany generously sent… 5,000 helmets. And now, a $3 trillion bill is being presented by its closest “ally.”
I don’t want to say Eastern Europe was right, but what will the bill look like in a few more years?
UK should send Bond, cost < 1.000.000 pounds, Putler problem solved once & forever. Alternatively: Put a bounty on Putler’s head. Cost < 100.000.000 USD.
How about no
Why even bother spending our money buying US arms if the USA follows the instructions coming from Putin.
Can someone explain the logic why Ukraine and Europe should make a deal with trump, when he offers basically nothing in return.
at this point, there is NO plan whatsoever and everything is just a scam! US does not trust the europeans will not leak to the russians info, europeans do not trust US will not make a dangerous “Yalta” deal, Russians do not trust anything out of any of these guys and not a single person wants to pay the bill anymore for this war…
What a dumb headline. Trump’s ‘plan’ for Ukraine is beyond stupid. This is merely number #81391 of sheer utter lunacy in that plan. Maybe focus on #1 first. It’s really simple.
Trump’s plan is:
* We get any proceeds that Ukraine has as reparations even though the EU spent more in total than we did; the EU will foot the _entire_ bill for keeping the peace. Russia gets most of what they wanted. The two parties that get stuff agree to this deal. The 2 parties that have to pay (EU and Ukraine) are not welcome and are not part of this deal.
If that plan works, I have a really good idea: Why don’t we, together, me and you, sign a contract that forces Trump to pay me 100 million dollars.
Should work about as well.
Gl 🤣
Paywall article =(
He can’t avoid Europe. If EU gives any guaranties to Ukraine, Trump can forget any deal with Putin.
It’s clear they want to destabilize and destroy Europe.
Why do we rely on US for *everything*?
They have our data (eg. via SoME)
They own our entertainment
They own our GPS-system
It’s basically bad as the Chinese vassal states…
Europe *need* to grow up and go independent from the US
Make the dollar super cheap, it will only cost a few euros at the end. He’s already working on it, Europe just need to get onboard
We should collectively increase our defense spending and take our security into our own hands, there’s no alternative.
However realistically we should also kick the Americans out of Europe and stop buying their weapons. A country that elected a dumbass like Trump not once but twice is unreliable. Their so called great “democracy” is also incredibly weak.
Their institutions have been highjacked by a bunch of racist billionaires and there’s literally nothing they can about it. Democrats are useless, the supreme court, senate and congress will let Trump do the most unhinged stuff without ever stopping him.
The absolute irony to be lectured by J.D Vance about free speech and democracy when these bastards are trying to take away women’s rights, ban books they don’t like and promote christian nationalism.
The Pax Americana is over.
Maybe Europe and Canada should do a peace deal for the US? It’s a mess right now and needs stabilizing.
I wonder what Ronald Reagan would say watching his nation turn into Russia’s leashed bitch.
All I can see here is an enormous strategic error by the US on the diplomatic stage. This century is now China’s to lead – the US have effectively pushed the EU into becoming more independent and, in all likelihood, closer to China who is taking the lead on green energy, electric vehicles and AI. In particular, the green revolution is the major economic transition point for this generation. The US is like an ancient tribe saying no thanks, we’ll stick to bronze when offered iron.
Where does this leave the US? How many friends does it now have? Israel and Saudi Arabia maybe? People want their friends to be consistent, not chopping between extremes every four years. What a mess.
Not going to happen.
I’m ok with a 3T as long as Putin and Russia gets fucked, but not for Trump and he’s master Putin to get even stronger
We (Europeans) need to take action NOW at the face of Americas betrayal!
We need to rearm heavily and spin up a war economy, otherwise r*ssia will attack everyone.
DOn’t make any deals with liar oligrachs. They will break them all.
So are we all enemies now?
The $$ we’re spending on defense in Ukraine, is largely money we’re spending here in the United States to upgrade our own weapons (and we’re giving Ukraine the older weapons).
Cutting off funds to Ukraine will shrink jobs in the defense sector, at a time, when:
Elon is planning to throw 1 million fed civil service employees out of work,
The GOP plans to cut 1/3 of the federal budget (a 2 Trillion shrink on GDP) which will cause additional layoffs
Trump plans to institute a regressive tax (tariffs) on the middle class while also giving the 1% a 4.5 Trillion tax cut paid for by an increase in the debt ceiling
All while playing chicken with the value of our dollar by pissing off the other members of the Bretton Woods Agreement (who we need to keep the US $ as World Reserve Currency)
The accelerated transfer of wealth from the lower & middle class to the 1% elite over the next four years has the potential to rival the TOTAL transfer of the last 40 years.
Let’s use those $3 trillion dollars to rebuild Europe’s defences.
Donald Trump is all bark no bite.
This guy is soo full of shit his hair turned orange.
What did he ever achieve in his first term?
Wasn’t it estimated that it would cost $900 billion to make Ukraine win? Sure seems like a better deal than paying more than triple that to stabilize after letting Putin win.
My opinion is that he is trying to wash his hands from the Ukrainian conflict – he probably knows Ukraine and Europe will not agree to this and that’s ok for him. He turns around and says “see, I tried” and moves on (stops support for Ukraine)
Europe need to offer something to Ukraine as an alternative to America’s deal.
It’s a powerful continent with much more skin in the game. This is our doorstep.
Btw, this was foretold by a lot of people. A ceasefire is gonna be very complicated and costly. First of all, if other nations aren’t involved, and it’s just reduced troop size along the lines by Russia and Ukraine, what will the world do when Russia restarts the invasion with a false flag and a significantly better armed army?
They will do nothing, everyone will just say “Sorry, we won’t risk WW3 so you’re kind of fucked even more than you were before”.
And IF Europeans are deployed, what will you do when the first flag draped coffins start arriving in Berlin and Paris from a Russian false flag drone strike? While every single american right wing grifter will echo the Russian MoDs statement about how it was actually Ukraine?
Trump wants peace quickly. It’s impossible. The details are too complicated, and enforcing either of these is gonna cost an insane amount of money and action. It’s a 1200km long frontline. This not like the Korean DMZ.
We will all regret not just giving Ukraine everything right after the Kharkiv counter offensive.
Any deal between ukraine and russia is useless without european support. Trump knows it, Zelensky knows it and Putin knows it.
So lets cut the crap for now.
Then get fucked
This may have been addressed already, and I didn’t read about it, but is there a reason why Ukraine doesn’t sell their mineral rights to Europe instead and get bigger and better weapons?
Yeah … pass.
As someone who lives in Europe and also has not been invited to the negotiations, i disrespectfully decline.
God the Trump administration is completely fucking clueless.
Hehehe so Europe can’t join in on negotiations, but has to foot a bill of 3T in his great plan? I’d gladly have Trump eat his own shit and drown in his own inflation without any allies left, whilst EU deals directly with Ukraine and pays double that