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Im lucky I’ve never been on welfare but had a few friends through no fault of their own have to use it for a while laid off etc, said they were scalded by them. But apparently the lifers on the dole get fuck all hassle
How does long-term unemployment work in reality? Are recipients required to attend employment courses or prove that they are actively searching for work? Do you get job referrals from the welfare office?
About time.
I’m sick of the lifers who think they can get away with doing nothing and then progress to “disabled “ after they fuck their head up with drink and drugs
Plenty of houses to be built and plenty of basic labouring they can be forced to do
If you want to get the donkey through the gate, you have to use a carrot or a stick
A local guy, who’s been on the dole so long he goes to their Christmas party, was known for dropping down to sign on with his bag of tools.
I was laid off some years ago and while being grilled by some SS-style öberfurhrer, two lads were shouting across the room that they’d see each other in the pub later to ‘drink this’.
Anyone remember ‘job bridge’, boy was that scheme exploited back in the day by some employers.
I would change the whole system.
For freshly unemployed ppl, 100% of salary for first three months, 75% next three, 50% at six months etc.
Once they hit the jobseeker rate. It reduces by a euro a week. Until zero.
Remember last government promised a ubi, I did. I’d have loved it but if course they didn’t do it
You know what triggered me to find gainful employment when I was on the dole? The fact that what you get on the dole is sweet fuck all! So the paperpushers suggesting this should fuck right off. Even better, reduce their wages to dole level for six months and see how they survive. Tossers.
I thought we were at full employment? Why are the government suddenly trying to get us angry at people on the dole I wonder
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Aren’t we at full employment these days? I’ve done hiring under full employment times before and nobody who shows up for an interview is employable. They’re showing up to say they did. Nobody will ever hire them. They have problems. And we shouldn’t be proposing starving them and making them homeless unless they magically become someone else.
I think they need to just apply them to whatever is vacant say a restaurant, coffee shop whatever any job is good and then say you start Monday morning or else bye bye to your beer money. Can’t stand lazy good for nothing people.
How about Employers not wanting us to work for peanuts? Been unemployed since November as I got made redundant and fucking christ the job market is brutal. Skilled jobs for under 30k a year.
I don’t want to be unemployed. I hate it but christ, let me work for a wage where I can eat at the end of the week
I think we need to also majorly overhaul the support to find employment because for most people that are genuinely struggling to find work, the support only fits if you literally have no idea what a CV is. The likes of Turas Nua etc. just aren’t fit for purpose.
Cutting welfare for people playing the system would be a start
Looking at couples doing foreign holidays twice a year on benefits
Disability & illness benefit should be assessed regularly to check if they are still unfit for work, fair enough if still unfit and if they are deemed fit assist in preparing for employment. Like if you are receiving income protection payments from a private company there will be regularly assessments and no expense spared on consultants and treatments until deemed fit, because private money isn’t wasted, neither should tax payers money it should be treated with the same care.
I wonder what age these people who sit on jobseekers for years are. Anyone that’s young will pretty much get kicked into Seetec/Tus after a long enough. Source, was on jobeeker for a while (luckily found something in my field before the dreaded CE Schemes), it gets miserable pretty quick. The intreo offices are the most soul sucking locations you can go in Ireland. Granted my activation meeting worker was sweet and my ‘activation’ meetings were a 2 minute check up lol.
If you’re on the dole for over 2 years, education or training courses should be mandatory if you can’t get a job (payment is based on attendance)
I do think we have some mentally ill people on the dole who should be on disability but are too ill to jump through the hoops to get it, that needs to be fixed.
What I’ve heard is long term recipients are left alone as they’re considered hopeless cases, those are the ones that need to be looked at.
I am a big defender of the social welfare system in this country, it’s not perfect, but it is exceptional. After COVID hit, I completely fell apart. Without structure and routine, I unravelled and struggled to do simple things. I was on welfare for years. During that time, I was able to get on a waiting list for a psychiatrist, it took two years but when I got my appointment, I was diagnosed with ADHD, sent to therapy, and prescribed medication. In the two years since, I’ve completed a HDip. in Computer Science, found an amazing partner, and I recently started a great job with an incredible Irish company. I see people talking about the old Job Bridge disaster, Job Bridge has been replaced with a much better scheme called WPEP that places people on welfare with companies with actual training requirements and proper oversight. That’s how I got the job I’m in now. The system, at the moment, is excellent, and it works. However, as always, it only works if you engage with it. I know from experience that 95% of people on social welfare are good people and they don’t want to be on social welfare. Most of them are like me, suffering with something that they don’t understand or can’t get help for. I was lucky enough to get a bit a money from my employer when I was let go due to COVID, so I could go private to see a psychiatrist, which most people on welfare can’t afford. If the government was serious about getting people off of social welfare, they’d give people on social welfare greater access to mental health services and they would encourage more companies to participate in WPEP. Instead it’s all about penalties and punishment. Social welfare is a human issue, it requires human solutions, not these rich politicians trying to penalise people who are struggling.
Should be a short term safety net. Not for people gaming it for a life of laziness.
I think there should be NO welfare because [insert secondhand anecdote here]
So, the scrounger narrative is starting here now as well. Honestly, just get me off this fucking planet. The world has gone to fuck and I don’t think is repairable.
The welfare system is good but should focus more on helping tax payers who lost a job. Welfare payments should mirror your previous earnings somewhat (I know changes are coming but it’s not enough) instead of pampering long term recipients. Welfare fraud should be taken more seriously, no more forever social houses and maybe it’s time to bring food stamps back for long term, healthy individuals. More community work outdoors too, there’s no need to waste day sitting doing nothing. Shocking amounts of money are wasted when it could be used to benefit tax payers, like infrastructure projects to help with commute times, prison or two, tax breaks and maternity leave extensions.
I was on job seekers a few years back, and I went to every meeting with my officer with a folder full of printouts showing I was applying for jobs.
Mind you every time I saw the officer, it was a different person, and they never wanted to see my proof. They never gave me job listing’s or ideas on how to look. I found and signed up for job sites myself. I remember going in, and the person was excited because they had a cutout from the local paper for me. It was for a job I had seen, applied for, interviewed for, and was rejected for the week before. The woman in the interview gave me solid advice that made more of an impact than the Intreo officer did.
They cut off my payments soon after, and I fought them on the reasoning. I saw the ombudsman and appealed with my folders of evidence. Won and got the back paid money.
If you are on job seekers for more than 6 months and not engaging it should be reduced 50 %
Wouldn’t the simplest thing be to just reduce the rate of jobseekers allowance if someone is on it for a certain period?
I was unemployed for nearly a year up until the end of 2024.
I applied for hundreds of jobs. I have a degree in accounting, 2 years experience in Financial Services, 3 years in retail. In that year I couldn’t even get an interview for an office job and got only got 2 interviews for Retail. Aldi and my current retail job.
Aldi didn’t happen because I couldn’t make some of the 5am starts (no public transport). Now 8 years after graduating, doing well in every job I’ve done, even training new starters in 2 of those financial jobs, now I’m in a minimum wage retail job on a 20 hour contract. I even had to take my degree off my CV to try and not scare off the retail employers.
The jobs market right now is just bizarre. I showed no ego on what jobs I applied for, anything would do. But it’s absolutely miserable that the only options right now are for part time retail jobs, where you don’t know if you’re getting 3-4-5 days a week.