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    2. heatrealist on

      Commitments, not what EU delivered. Also conveniently stopping in January 2024 so as not to count the additional aid package America sent most of last year. 😂

    3. pushpullem on

      Good, then Ukraine won’t really be affected by the US letting the EU foot the bill for the remainder of the war.

      Thanks homies. Was worried.

    4. Xepeyon on

      I’ve mostly stopped commenting on these threads after the first twenty times or so times it’s popped up, but now I’m seeing like, a dozen of these same posts every 12 hours or so. Some are committed, some are delivered, but it’s literally the same things being posted over and over and over again.

      I know we’re not all active at the same time or on the same days, so some of us will miss posts, but it can’t possibly be so bad that we need to keep having this same kind of post repeatedly throughout each day. There’s no way like 100 of these posts are necessary every week, is there?

    6. Cheeky__Bananas on

      I commit to send Ukraine 1 trillion dollars worth a weapons at some point in the future! I, 1 human being , just beat the Euros and the Muricans in one day! You’re all pathetic. Now put my name at the top of this graph, I WIN!

    7. Jumpy-Prior-762 on

      You’re right that the situation could have been different if Ukraine had received full support from the beginning. While American aid is there, it hasn’t been as substantial as Europe’s, and millions of people—women and children—have died due to bureaucratic delays and hesitation. It’s a complicated situation. But without weapons, Ukraine can’t defend its borders, and if it can’t hold its borders, Europe will be next. The Russians are already building highways to the Baltics. Why do you think they are building them? For the rapid deployment of troops. This is something Europe needs to consider right now.

    9. Exotic_Jicama1984 on

      All we had to do was send in a few nuclear warheads for Ukraine to announce the existence of before the invasion, but no-one had any balls.

      It is embarrassing.

    10. Most_Grocery4388 on

      Than EU shouldn’t have a problem right now. US politicians try to set up coalitions to legitimize their plans but it’s never a pre requisite for action. Time for EU to show the world what it’s worth

    12. DiBalls on

      Europe does a poor job of self promotion. Fake news and misinformation will win over the truth.

    14. NominalThought on

      If the EU keeps on funding this war, Trump will cut out all support to Europe!

    15. Round_Mastodon8660 on

      Hope this finally shuts up the annoying russian / magat trolls & bots.

    17. TheRealMylo on

      And most of that money went to the US… the winner of this war is the US.

    18. IAmOfficial on

      Why is it commitments rather than what was delivered? Why does it stop data 13 months ago?

    22. HappyLittleGreenDuck on

      This chart only goes until Jan 2024, what happened after that?

    23. cb_24 on

      This seems to only include military aid from the US while the US has provided much more than that to support Ukraine’s budget and for humanitarian purposes. 

    24. Affectionate_Cat293 on

      First, the chart is outdated. [The US has spent a total of $175 billion to support Ukraine, with $106 billion going directly to the Ukrainian government](https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine). Those numbers are before Biden’s last minute spending decisions before Trump took office.

      You need to consider the total number of spending, not just the amount sent to Ukraine, because countries need to replace equipment sent to Kyiv. 

      Second, people in this sub love throwing these numbers around to feel good about themselves, but the number lacks contextualization. The U.S. supplies Ukraine with advanced weapons systems like HIMARS, Patriot air defense systems, Abrams tanks, and large amounts of ammunition that Europe struggles to match. Even the Kiel Institute, which is the source of the numbers that this sub always quotes, observed that “[Europe has clearly not been able to fill the gap left by the dwindling US aid. This is especially true for ammunition, as the European defense sector has been very slow to build up production capacity.](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/european-aid-shows-little-dynamism/)”

      Third, people here don’t realize how dependent Europe is on America militarily. Even if the whole Europe collectively decides to scuttle all the American-made systems they have, Europe is still reliant on American parts. [Gripen, Typhoon and Rafale fighters are all dependent on American components](https://warwingsdaily.com/the-dependence-of-european-fighters-on-american-components/). Major systems also depend on American technology. [Storm Shadow missile’s guidance system relies on U.S.-owned classified cartographic data. Without access to this data, the missile would have to rely solely on GPS, making it vulnerable to Russian electronic warfare systems that could easily disrupt it](https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/whats_the_us_provided_data_so_essential_for_unrestricted_storm_shadow_strikes_on_russia-11861.html).

    25. deval42 on

      Loudmouthed magats need to see this. Not that they’d care.

    26. NeimaDParis on

      Trump (and MAGA) not understanding that the US is not giving money away but buying US weapons and than sending them there, therefor boosting US economy, is baffling…

    28. LudSable on

      it’s good except we can not supply enough shells that only the USA could…

    29. The0rion on

      This is even one year out of date, but the relative sizes of the respective aid pledges haven’t changed much.

    31. cmrd_msr on

      Если/когда США отключат Украине старлинк и забанят спутники используемые для целеуказания и разведки- Украина, буквально, ослепнет и оглохнет на фронте.

      Цифры это, конечно, хорошо, но, европейское оружие завязано на американские системы. Для вас это проблема. Не только для украинского будущего. Для вашего тоже. Сможет ли европа найти деньги и технологии, чтобы продублировать американские ключевые системы- хороший вопрос. Будем смотреть с интересом.

    33. srberikanac on

      Two things – first, the source here seems to cherry pick what it counts. [Overall aid from the US is 115 billion euros](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/fileadmin/Dateiverwaltung/Subject_Dossiers_Topics/Ukraine/Ukraine_Support_Tracker/3rd_Aniv_Report.pdf) (compared to 130 billion from the EU).

      Secondly, it’s a war in Europe, in a country bordering the EU. The worst case scenario of this war for the EU is exponentially worse than for the US. Frankly, even if the chart was not cherrypicking, it looks pretty bad for the EU that the ratio is not much greater.

      One great thing about US going AWOL is that the EU will have to take, and already is taking, it’s security a into it’s own hands, not offload a lot of a lot of it onto the US. While Trump is doing it for all the wrong (personal gain and corrupt) reasons, long term this divorce is better for both powers. As for Ukrain, EU should step up it’s game and replace the US – Ukraine is primarily EU’s concern. It is time for the US to stop policing the world anyway.

    34. Stop_Touching2 on

      Europeans – “you stupid Americans know Europe is a continent and not a country right?”

      Also Europeans – combine all their countries together in every metric possible to match the US in anything.

      You should be giving more to Ukraine considering Ukraine is in your own backyard. Question, if China had invaded Mexico, how much support would we expect from you?

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