Il deputata finlandese Mika Aaltola afferma di aver sentito da diverse fonti che gli Stati Uniti avrebbero dato all’Europa tre settimane per concordare i termini di pace. Secondo Aaltola, gli Stati Uniti stanno minacciando di ritirare le sue truppe dall’Europa se i termini di pace non sono accettati entro tre settimane.

    https://www.hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000011047551.html

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    1. No-History-Evee-Made on

      That’ll be the last agreement we ever make with the US

    2. GrumpyFinn on

      MEP Mika Aaltola (National Coalition Party) says that the United States is pursuing a broad solution on a very rapid schedule, in which Ukraine is forced to agree to very unfavorable peace terms.

      According to Aaltola, he has heard from several NATO and EU sources that the United States would give Europe three weeks to agree to peace terms or else the United States would withdraw from Europe.

      “It came from many directions that these are practically such harsh peace terms for Ukraine that there is talk of surrender,” Aaltola says.

      According to Aaltola, the threat is particularly posed by the United States’ departure from Eastern and Northern Europe.

      Aaltola attended the Munich Security Conference last week. He believes that US Vice President JD Vance was supposed to give a keynote speech along these lines, but it was changed at the last minute to focus mainly on European elections and democracy.

      Aaltola believes this inevitably leads to the question of how committed the United States is to NATO. According to him, the acute question in European capitals at the moment is whether the United States will be pressured, even against its own interests, or whether its own strict conditions will be imposed.

      Aaltola’s party colleague, MEP Pekka Toveri, said in an interview with HS on Thursday that he does not believe the United States is abandoning NATO because it would be against its interests. However, Toveri insists that Europe must take a tougher stance towards the United States.

      Aaltola suspects that there may be a tough negotiating strategy behind this.

      “Of course, it should be noted that there are two interpretations of the matter,” Aaltola says.

      “In Europe, some see this as the beginning of negotiations and others as a sudden and rapid change in the US position. So is this something to negotiate versus is it a decision made in the US?”

      According to Aaltola, many countries, such as Poland, are now silent as they try to figure out what is going on. 

      “But it’s already speaking quite harsh language when we talk about withdrawing troops from new member states. Then we are talking, in Finnish, about approving support for Russia.”

      Aaltola interprets US President Donald Trump’s speeches in recent years as meaning that the US administration actually sees things in a way that is very unfavorable to Europe and that, according to Aaltola, Europe should understand this.

      “We have three weeks to grow up,” he writes on the messaging service X.

      Pekka Toveri lamented in an interview with HS that Europe currently lacks leadership. According to Aaltola, leadership would be demonstrated by announcements of increased defense spending. For him, leadership means practical actions and emphasizing defense and security issues.

      Aaltola believes that many European countries will now increase their defense spending. For example, Denmark has just announced that it will increase its defense spending significantly.

      “Denmark was the first to receive the Trump administration’s tidal wave on the Greenland issue. In fact, if you were to call Copenhagen now, there would probably be a lot to learn from there.”

      How have MEPs received Trump’s comments on Ukraine?

      “Everyone is complaining about it now in confusion, but complaining won’t help. This is quite an ice bath in itself. If you don’t understand it now, you probably won’t understand it later either.”

    3. DrKaasBaas on

      If this is really true then we have not other option but break ties with the US. What a clusterfuck

    4. According-Buyer6688 on

      Fuck them and support our local domestic market so we can afford to build our own arms

      Join us on the mission: r/BuyFromEU

    5. TimArthurScifiWriter on

      Ah, Republicans. They’re very good at invading brown countries with small, underdeveloped militaries. Not so good at standing up to countries that can put up a fight, though! The entire western world had to come to their aid when a bunch of terrorists knocked over a pair of skyscrapers, but when entire cities are burning and hundreds of thousands are dying in trenches, and those same allies ask for help in return, the cowards are nowhere to be found.

      We do not need the armies of cowards on our continent. They’re worth nothing anyway, and might sooner be a problem at that. We’ll fondly remember the sacrifices of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers. May their legacy forever tower over yours.

    6. AdminEating_Dragon on

      Let them withdraw, don’t even think to bend the knee to Trump out of fear of losing US protection!

    7. -ForgottenSoul on

      Leave then, If Europe accepts these threats will show us as so damn weak.

    8. routamorsian on

      I think while Europe 100% should plan and prep for USAless military defence, it needs to be pointed out this man is a failed presidential candidate whose own family cut ties with him due to his behaviour and lies during campaigning.

      In other words, might not be the best source, though he undeniably has GOP contacts.

    9. Negative-Highlight41 on

      Imagine lf Reagan was alive, that he would see that the republican party has become a puppet beholden to a former KGB officer hellbent on recreating the Soviet Empire whose spine the US spent trillions to crush (Putin has called the collapse of the Soviet Empire the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century). It is beyond insane. 

    10. _CatLover_ on

      This has always been the risk with outsourcing military defence and production to the US, as well as economic reliance. Everything gives them leverage over the EU.
      The US has a rich history of false flags operations, coups and other forms of meddling in foreign countries to get their will. The people who have been blind to this and pushed for deeper reliance on the US are naive fools.

    11. Trump will never stop demanding. If you give in to him, then he will push to take more. And he doesn’t honor his commitments anyways, so you may as well say goodbye to American troops in Europe.

      The world has changed. Get on board.

    12. WeirdKittens on

      Please take your troops and gtfo

      The last thing we need is a Russian ally with bases in our countries. You chose to demolish an alliance and friendship your grandfathers died to create only to suck up to an insecure ex-KGB asset.

      Get out.

    13. TokyoBaguette on

      Seems obvious that ~~Orange~~ The Cheeto will leave NATO as soon as he can.

    14. pgjonguuh on

      F their plan, f their troops, f their peace.

      Lets grow a backbone, troops to Ukraine!

      Make russia small again!

    15. Ballistic-Bob on

      The main problem is weapon systems and IT .. but I think we need to go it alone .. Trump and his shitlings see Russia as their new allies now .. They love the thought of Oligarchy and want this for themselves… The Billionaires want to be Trillionaires .. it won’t end well

    16. FinnishFlashdrive on

      I’m a Finn and I don’t believe anything this dude says. Our PM (also head of Aaltolas party) dismissed this info as false.

      Aaltola has been giving many weird statements lately. Even his sister, who supported him in the presidential election last year, publicly wondered what has happened to him.

    17. -Professional-Cow- on

      I am very anti-EU, but shit like this makes me want to be part of EU even more.

    18. schnecke12 on

      Then the US will loose a lot of intelligence and circle of influence. For military actions in the middle east they cannot use European military bases any more, which will limit their capability of actions.

      Trump always pretends that America is giving and all other taking. But they get a lot for their money and military presence in Europe. Trump is too dumb to realize that. He does not understand soft power… only dollars.

    19. Broad_Hedgehog_3407 on

      We need US troops out of Europe anyhow.

      Nobody seriously believes they are there to protect Europe. They protect US interests in Europe. And that has always been their only interest in Europe.

    20. Ashamed_Soil_7247 on

      We should accept, and prompty reinforce our eastern flank to assuage our EE brothers. Getting rid of these bases in other circumstances will be a nightmare, and we’ll have to do that very soon

    21. gtafan37890 on

      What’s the point for Europe to have US troops if the US is going to side with Russia when they invade a European country. At this point, having US troops is the equivalent of having Russian troops in your territory and is more of a security threat than anything else.

    22. Educational_Gur_1543 on

      Well they can get the fuck out. If we bend our knees in this situation then there’s no fucking point in building the European project.

    23. maarkkes on

      At this point, it doesn’t matter if they take troops out or not, NATO is over.

      An alliance can only serve its purpose if there’s trust between allies.

      It might be hard to compreend, but US and EU are no longer allies, it’s over. They should get their stuff out of Europe as soon as possible.

    24. andrijas on

      so….USA is willingly going to remove their strategic placement? ok…..sure.

    25. There is 0% chance that the United States would fight on our side if we are attacked from Russia, a very high chance that they don’t fight with us but just continue to leak intel to Putin and a non-zero chance that they fight with Putin. So yeah. We should better tell them to get out. By the way, I do not see why we should continue to subsidize the US military presence in Europe.

    26. SierraOscar on

      Let their troops leave. The US are now a hostile nation. They should not have troops stationed in the EU.

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