Europe needs to act on multiple levels simultaneously.
Help Ukraine, invest drastically in defence, reduce reliance on US, deregulate markets for AI and technology growth.
StanfordV on
At that point it has been repeated so many times, it sounds like an inside joke.
Joxie_ on
*”Adopt new fiscal rules to finance the EU security and defence”*
The best time to act was in 2014. I hope it’s not too late today.
FnZombie on
Just do it.
Creative-Size2658 on
Poland is the best thing that happened to Europe. Thank you guys.
Gold-Salary-8265 on
lol another rinse and repeat call from Europe to do something. Let it fester in the online echo chamber though. Nothing will change meaningfully. Drastic actions are required on a European level they’re not ready to do.
DeviantPlayeer on
This must be Europe’s slogan
z4konfeniksa on
Yes, it’s time to replace tusk with Zandberg.
Bango-TSW on
France & Germany need to take the lead & forge a common European response to this crisis. There is nothing whatsoever to be gained from expressing concern & doing nothing about it.
ProfessionalFenian on
The problem with Europe is that we’re too used to being comfortable. Facing Russian aggression on our own will mean increased government spending on defense meaning other things (such as social welfare for example) will have to be cut/not increased. Which is politically unpopular. It will also mean personal sacrifice in terms of reduced incomes and luxuries, this in my opinion will be a real kicker for people. Most people I know are all for facing up to Russia but don’t want to give up the two-week holiday or face further increased prices in stores. This inability to face up to the harsh reality that the era of relative peace since WW2 is over and what it will cost just leads to these endless meaningless summits, meetings and bullshit pie in the sky statements.
TLDR: No one in Europe wants to get off their arse and actually do anything that might be an unpopular choice.
NoxAstrumis1 on
I’ve said before, I like this guy. I love the Poles, and he seems to not f around. This may age like milk, but for now, I approve.
Stabile_Feldmaus on
>First, he suggests, Europe should “finance our aid for Ukraine from the Russian frozen assets”.
>Secondly, the Polish leader says air policing should be strengthened, as well as “EU borders with Russia”.
>And, Tusk finishes, Europe should “swiftly adopt new fiscal rules to finance the EU security and defence. Now!”
We need much more action than that. He doesn’t seem to realize that the US is switching from being an ally to a potential adversary. We have to redesign the whole European security structure. We need to replace US nukes with French and UK ones. We need a bunch of joint weapons development programmes, e.g. for rocket artillery (HMARS equivalent), reconnaissance satellites, an EU nuclear deterrence and what not.
Conscious-Drawer4448 on
Well, at least this time around Tusk has some semblence of a plan… that’s going to get torpedoed anyway, but at least it’s a baby step forward.
ActualDW on
YES.
AdminEating_Dragon on
Great, it’s time to act.
Which means no more sucking up to Trump and pretending USA is the freedom daddy of Poland. If you could tell that to Sikorski, it would be great.
Tusk is among the best of EPP, and he needs to change the public perception now in Poland regarding USA.
_MrFreeeze_ on
Does it mean troops on the battlefield with our soldiers, or yet another way to say “we’re preserving ammunition for war in Poland”?
I’m a bit clinical after so many “surprises” from our ‘allies’.
Evogdala on
Europe after becoming Western Oblast: “Yeah guys it’s time to act i guess.”.
How many times will this be said by different leaders before things actually start happening?
ProductGuy48 on
Lisan al Ghaib! The good Donald!
cookiesnooper on
Every time he talks, he lies.
nariofthewind on
So, what would Poland do (and anyone else in the EU, actually) if Trump sides with Putin, as it seems? Do you guys know what the population in Eastern Europe thinks about the US troops and installations in their countries? A lot of them, especially the right wing, want them out. They say the troops don’t belong there and put a target on them. So, Mr. Tusk, how do you actually do something and stop just talking? You need to convince the people that what you want to do is the right thing. That’s a tough one, I can tell you.
Fancy_Ad681 on
Sounds like a joke at this point. We don’t have leaders, we don’t have brave Europeans anymore.
-Adanedhel- on
This is still more talking isn’t it?
itsadiseaster on
The Ents agreed that Ukrainians are not Orcs, it is the Russians.
That’s how I fucking see all this talk…
InternationalBird355 on
And after he said that, nothing happened:D
wisel44 on
We as Europeans can act to! Picking proper – not ru**ian puppets representativas. All eyes on Sunday Germany elections. Good luck, choose wisely
Paul5s on
Well, it’s better than Romania’s PM’s motto “It’s time to go from actions to words” (as he misquoted on TV)
Budget_Afternoon_800 on
Poland suck USA dick to years and know lecture us…
druid_of_oberon on
Here’s an easy way to get started today. Get some unarmed Polish military intelligence officers embedded with front-line Ukrainian troops. Record the shit out of everything that happens for one week. Cycle those officers out and analyze the data. The week after you hold all-hands with all Polish troops and train them on the tactics of the Russians and Ukrainians. Do that weekly. Rinse and repeat.
Your troops won’t have first-hand battle experience but they’ll have the second best thing. They’ll be able to feel out how things may operate in a later war. They’ll be able to integrate the enemies tactics at their core. Intelligence will be able strategize counter-measures and know where to invest time and money to prepare for war.
actctually on
Wow impressive statement. Let’s continue this way
Scraaty84 on
We need a unified European military that can rival the us and China in strength.
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Europe needs to act on multiple levels simultaneously.
Help Ukraine, invest drastically in defence, reduce reliance on US, deregulate markets for AI and technology growth.
At that point it has been repeated so many times, it sounds like an inside joke.
*”Adopt new fiscal rules to finance the EU security and defence”*
The best time to act was in 2014. I hope it’s not too late today.
Just do it.
Poland is the best thing that happened to Europe. Thank you guys.
lol another rinse and repeat call from Europe to do something. Let it fester in the online echo chamber though. Nothing will change meaningfully. Drastic actions are required on a European level they’re not ready to do.
This must be Europe’s slogan
Yes, it’s time to replace tusk with Zandberg.
France & Germany need to take the lead & forge a common European response to this crisis. There is nothing whatsoever to be gained from expressing concern & doing nothing about it.
The problem with Europe is that we’re too used to being comfortable. Facing Russian aggression on our own will mean increased government spending on defense meaning other things (such as social welfare for example) will have to be cut/not increased. Which is politically unpopular. It will also mean personal sacrifice in terms of reduced incomes and luxuries, this in my opinion will be a real kicker for people. Most people I know are all for facing up to Russia but don’t want to give up the two-week holiday or face further increased prices in stores. This inability to face up to the harsh reality that the era of relative peace since WW2 is over and what it will cost just leads to these endless meaningless summits, meetings and bullshit pie in the sky statements.
TLDR: No one in Europe wants to get off their arse and actually do anything that might be an unpopular choice.
I’ve said before, I like this guy. I love the Poles, and he seems to not f around. This may age like milk, but for now, I approve.
>First, he suggests, Europe should “finance our aid for Ukraine from the Russian frozen assets”.
>Secondly, the Polish leader says air policing should be strengthened, as well as “EU borders with Russia”.
>And, Tusk finishes, Europe should “swiftly adopt new fiscal rules to finance the EU security and defence. Now!”
We need much more action than that. He doesn’t seem to realize that the US is switching from being an ally to a potential adversary. We have to redesign the whole European security structure. We need to replace US nukes with French and UK ones. We need a bunch of joint weapons development programmes, e.g. for rocket artillery (HMARS equivalent), reconnaissance satellites, an EU nuclear deterrence and what not.
Well, at least this time around Tusk has some semblence of a plan… that’s going to get torpedoed anyway, but at least it’s a baby step forward.
YES.
Great, it’s time to act.
Which means no more sucking up to Trump and pretending USA is the freedom daddy of Poland. If you could tell that to Sikorski, it would be great.
Tusk is among the best of EPP, and he needs to change the public perception now in Poland regarding USA.
Does it mean troops on the battlefield with our soldiers, or yet another way to say “we’re preserving ammunition for war in Poland”?
I’m a bit clinical after so many “surprises” from our ‘allies’.
Europe after becoming Western Oblast: “Yeah guys it’s time to act i guess.”.
[We need action now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YawagQ6lLrA)
How many times will this be said by different leaders before things actually start happening?
Lisan al Ghaib! The good Donald!
Every time he talks, he lies.
So, what would Poland do (and anyone else in the EU, actually) if Trump sides with Putin, as it seems? Do you guys know what the population in Eastern Europe thinks about the US troops and installations in their countries? A lot of them, especially the right wing, want them out. They say the troops don’t belong there and put a target on them. So, Mr. Tusk, how do you actually do something and stop just talking? You need to convince the people that what you want to do is the right thing. That’s a tough one, I can tell you.
Sounds like a joke at this point. We don’t have leaders, we don’t have brave Europeans anymore.
This is still more talking isn’t it?
The Ents agreed that Ukrainians are not Orcs, it is the Russians.
That’s how I fucking see all this talk…
And after he said that, nothing happened:D
We as Europeans can act to! Picking proper – not ru**ian puppets representativas. All eyes on Sunday Germany elections. Good luck, choose wisely
Well, it’s better than Romania’s PM’s motto “It’s time to go from actions to words” (as he misquoted on TV)
Poland suck USA dick to years and know lecture us…
Here’s an easy way to get started today. Get some unarmed Polish military intelligence officers embedded with front-line Ukrainian troops. Record the shit out of everything that happens for one week. Cycle those officers out and analyze the data. The week after you hold all-hands with all Polish troops and train them on the tactics of the Russians and Ukrainians. Do that weekly. Rinse and repeat.
Your troops won’t have first-hand battle experience but they’ll have the second best thing. They’ll be able to feel out how things may operate in a later war. They’ll be able to integrate the enemies tactics at their core. Intelligence will be able strategize counter-measures and know where to invest time and money to prepare for war.
Wow impressive statement. Let’s continue this way
We need a unified European military that can rival the us and China in strength.