L’alleato più vicino dell’Europa è a letto con il suo peggior nemico. E adesso?
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/20/europe/ukraine-europe-trump-leadership-starmer-macron-cmd-intl/index.html
di JackRogers3
L’alleato più vicino dell’Europa è a letto con il suo peggior nemico. E adesso?
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/20/europe/ukraine-europe-trump-leadership-starmer-macron-cmd-intl/index.html
di JackRogers3
48 commenti
Now we must leave America behind.
Move along, accept the reality, prepare for the worst scenario.
It’s time for a divorce not marriage counseling.
**Go and Vote against pro-russian parties in the German election!**
No AFD, No BSW… and preferably No “Die Linke”!
This is the single most important thing to do… if Germany is lost to Putin Europe is dead.
As an American everyday I will be pushing back on these Maga traitors who don’t have any ethics and push back these Autocratic ideas. Nothing but gangsters with power.
Now either Europe will federalize or will be rolled over by Russia and others. it doesn’t matter if a weak country spends 5% of its gdp on defense when a much bigger Russia is spending way more.
I’m afraid a full confrontal war with Russia is inevitable at this point. Either it will be on Ukraine soil, or on Baltic.
I’m not sure why people seem surprised by this. It was obvious almost immediately in Trump’s first term. That was eight years ago. I understand the power of denial, but wow — he’s been singing Putin’s praise loudly and consistently the whole time. He announced to the world that he and Kim Jong Un had fallen in love, ffs.
Trump is no friend to Europe, Democracy, or, for that matter, the vast majority of US citizens.
Here’s why I think Trump is capitulating to Putin:
Trump has nothing but contempt and hatred for democracies, he sees them as weak and ineffectual and therefore holds no respect for them. Autocracies are strong and powerful as their leaders crush protests and dissent using military force and law enforcement
Trump wants to dismantle the American lead “rules based international order” established by the Western Allies at the end of WW2 and NATO in favor of discrete spheres of influence shared between the United States, Russia and China.
America will be left with a free hand to invade and annex Canada via economic or more likely military force along with Greenland and the Panama Canal. Trump will also use economic and military force to subjugate the Latin American states into a US lead sphere of influence i.e. Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine on steroids.
Russia will left with a free hand to use economic or military force to invade and annex all of the states that were once part of the Russian Empire as of 1914, The Baltic States Finland, Poland, Ukraine, Belerus and The Central Asian states. Russia would also try to use economic and/or military force to recreate the Warsaw Pact on steroids. This could include Germany, the Balkan and central European states.
China will be left with a free hand to use economic and military force to annex Taiwan. China will also be allowed to use economic/military force to subjugate other countries it’s own Asian sphere of influence a “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere” if you will.
As Trump sees it, as long as China, Russia and America stay out of each other’s spheres of influence, he’s fine with them doing whatever they want. Great Power politics in Africa might complicate things as each power fights for influence in the region. It could become a site for flashpoint tension that could lead to WW3 between the major spheres.
In short millions will die in wars of conquest, world trade will be diminished and could be confined to these respective spheres and international based NGO’s and organizations like the WHO, WTO ect will no longer matter.
Disclaimer: This is how I believe Trump (or the people manipulating him) sees the world. I’m not saying this is a good plan or that it will succeed. It will backfire spectacularly on the US and it will ultimately make them weaker and poorer.
It could be said that Putin, Xi and Trump are creating an informal “Pact of Steel” against the western democracies
USA had filled the role of a treacherous Isengard, in our timeline. Trump thinks Russia would help them with China, but he forgot how decitful Russia is. More likely after all is done, Russia and China will jump on isolated America. There can never be friendship among two countries ideologically so distant.
Divorce?…🤣
You make new ally’s, with countries that are way bigger then the US in terms of knowledge, and understanding.
Sadly, china is the best option in that regard, I think
If Europe and Europeans are smart (and they usually are), they will get crazy smart and strong out of this – hopefully without many mistakes.
Remember, hard times creates smart and strong people, smart and strong people creates nice times, nice times creates dumb and weak people, dumb and weak people craters hard times – we are at the point of restarting the cycle.
It’s time for us to become smart and strong.
P.S.: Also, it might be a reasonable concern the fact that every empire have its own fall. I am telling this because it’s the alternative if Europe is not going to become smart and strong – see what is going on in US these days.
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I just want to wake up.
Now we hold the line, hoping US will recover from this bad case of authoritarism. I trust they can do it, but it will take them some time.
But if we hold the line now we can get rid of putin. Stop russia now, they’re on the brink of collapse again.
World was a shitshow until 1945. Majority of the world was still shitshow after 1945. and Western world had the luxury of living in probably most peaceful time in its history. It was illusion thinking this will never change. Europe now needs to decide how to adapt.
Pray.
Defense.
Replace US imports ASAP or charge them.
Ban pro trump and pro putin propaganda.
Border control for Hungary.
Negotiate weapon deals with Latin and S.America, Iran,
Weaponize, with Europe made weapons.
Get out of anti-mines and nuclear proliferation treaties. We are going to need both.
Well, it’s time to reposes the dildo 😅
America under Trump is all Tit and no Tat. Point blank.
If Europe’s leaders try to appease him, it will lead to nothing but exploitation and unequal deals which will get altered further to the detriment of the EU.
Europe is on it’s own and needs to take off it’s training wheels and grow a pair of balls.
Oh yeah, and maybe also eliminate all the Pro-Russian parties in Europe from any further political involvement to counter the Firehose of Falsehood.
First step would be offering the UK an instant Brexit-undo plus a nice cash package in exchange for them deploying those 30k soldiers Starmer was talking about — except not as a US deal, but one with the EU, preparing to actually fight the Russians.
If they can hold the line while the rest of Europe trickles in, gets armed and mobilized, then we’ll be in business. And the UK economy would get a colossal boost out of the slump it’s been in.
Fuck it, let’s go to war. Time to push Russia into the Pacific Ocean.
It’s time to stop calling the USA an ally and listen to Zelenskyy and build a European armed forces and prepare for the worst. Trump is a Russian asset
Maybe these scared Europeans leaders will FINALLY stop buying into that imaginary American umbrella and restart the European war machine instead.
The only reason Europe has not produced any 5th gen fighter is because there isn’t enough domestic demand to make it viable as every country except France and a few others thought that by buying the F-35, they would get US protection.
It would be a good first step if some countries cancelled their F-35 orders (those that aren’t in a dire need to replace their jets).
Also we need to get in bed with China in retaliation 🤣
China is the ONE thing that scares tf out of the US leaders.
Do not share any intel with them. And if you do share fake intel with them.
Idk man america was pretty shit and enemy-like when it refused to help out during ww1 and ww2 until pretty late, when it was supporting and propping up fascist dictators around the world including europe since ww2, creating terrorist attacks in our soils for that purpose, or fucking with european companies by pumping their own with money (free market eeeey), forcing us to use petro-dollars, or deciding basically what NATO does or doesn’t do so far, etc
You say they’re in bed with the “enemies” but keep spewing american propaganda about them being the closest ally and russia the very very evil villains. I see little hope as of now tbh if people still fall this easy and still aren’t stopping to think.
And no, I don’t support russia/putin
Guess they aren’t our ally anymore! Time for independence
Relying on other countries in general is stupid.
Jokes about Trump – Putin has a full set of STDs, and for sure, they are not using any rubber
We know how weak Putin is… a three day special exercise is turning into a three year stalemate.
We could just invade Moscow, install a puppet dictator and have the WH do our bidding (totalitarian mandates like – Provide healthcare, education, uphold the law…) and then Europe would effectively rule the world as a democracy.
Now we grow strong and conquer the world like back in the good old days
Time to put on your big boy pants Europe
No doubt you’ll figure it out. Maybe you need to put more people in jail for speech? Maybe force France to close down its nuclear reactors so you’re more dependent on Russia?
Or even beat, start sending your young men to fight Russia!
Then it’s not our closest ally anymore. Fuck USA
Gotta spend a lot more of the budget on defense.
Not sure where that money is going to come from.
Hopefully we(America) leave nato. Time for Europe to stand on its own.
[https://www.politico.eu/article/china-wang-yi-backs-us-and-russias-new-consensus-on-ukraine-war/](https://www.politico.eu/article/china-wang-yi-backs-us-and-russias-new-consensus-on-ukraine-war/)
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Basically the veil has been removed. What appeared to be the force of freedom across the world was just involved in furthering its own interest. This is blatant now. And we as Europeans should embrace this and use the disruption for something positive.
We have plenty of nukes to use as deterrence, I don’t care what the Russian bots/Maga humans say.
But we mustn’t forget that this is the best time in 75 years for Russia to actually have a crack at Europe — even if it is a mental prospect.
Time to make Europe powerful again. And hey, in the bright side, at least Germany’s on our side this time!
What’s shocking is all of this has been in plain sight for a decade at least. Even internally in the U.S. it was ignored and normalised by commentators and the broader political system as the GOP lurched more and more into weird conspiracy theories, far right ideologies, ultra conservative social ideologies, very extreme authoritarianism, into being whatever the hell it is now.
I’m not sure the US is capable of fixing this.
European commentary also didn’t take it seriously enough. It’s been assumed that everything will be fine and systems will just rebalance.
Even yesterday I was watching coverage with eminently sensible people desperately scrambling to “Trumpsplain” — they were looking for motives — “maybe he’s trying to bounce the Europeans into being more sensible about defence…” “he makes deals”
It’s been said before and it won’t be listened to but LISTEN TO WHAT THESE PEOPLE SAY. They are saying exactly what they intend to do and then doing it. It’s not spin or some convoluted game. The literally published documents outlining exactly what they’re aiming to do, what their political philosophy is and everything else. They are the real deal — and they’re aiming to install an authoritarian oligarchy.
Meanwhile their counterparts are knocking on the doors of power in multiple European countries and in the European Parliament, and in several countries they’re already in power …
It’s a blessing in disguise, in a way. Our leaders can no longer rely on America, so we have to do it ourselves.
We go it alone.
Europe, Canada, Japan, the UK etc, we all work together to uphold democracy and freedom and protect those who are being bullied by evil tyrants.
What could happen is that there will be a stronger Europe with countries like Canada joining a Euro economic and political confederation in order to negate threats from both Russia and the US. That is if Trump and government last that long.
I just finished *American Primeval* yesterday. I thought those days were over, yet here we are.
As a Brit I hate Brexit and wish we had a much closer relation with you than our mutated offspring over the pond
It’s time for Europe to fuck America and Russia off
Europe knows that, divided into small countries, it has no real influence in the world. In an international order where neither sovereignty nor borders are respected, being weak is dangerous. Threats can target Greenland, Poland, Canada, or the Mediterranean alike.
It’s time to make a choice once and for all: either the tail of the lion or the head of the mouse. If Europe wants to be a lion and chart its own course, it must integrate further—starting with a common financial system so that European companies can access liquidity without relying on the U.S., a shared debt system, and a unified leadership that represents all of us. It weakens and paralyzes us when today one leader speaks for Europe, tomorrow another, and the next day someone else.
We must also move forward with a common army, understanding that this means sharing both the interests and risks of all participating members. This military integration must be built gradually, step by step, but it is essential if Europe wants to have a say in its own future.
We are still allues with the americans and we should treath them this way.
But we should depend on them anymore.
Our weapon factories should run on full power.
There is an opportunity here for Europe to strengthen ties with Canada, Mexico, Türkiye….hell even China.
The US is gone. 4 years of Trump will bury that country. We need better allies and they are out there.