Prepare. It is going to happen. We can be angry about is, we can try to deny it. But that won’t help. We should build an European army with European weapons. Now.
And we knew this was coming. Trump is more blunt than Biden or Obama, but the US wants out, they want out since the ’90s.
Hot_Instruction_5318 on
In reality, do you think this will be an actual wake up call for Europe that will lead to actual change? Because my concern is Europe will just continue to try to salvage its relationship with the US and do very little to protect itself.
Jealous_Response_492 on
I expect the US will announce withdrawing US troops from Eastern European states any day now. Russia is getting what it wanted out of cultivating Trump for decades. We here in Europe need to put a stop to our own Russian backed politicians & associated social media manipulation.
razvanciuy on
All that talk for decades that US people are dummies…well here is your stamp of confirmation. In bed with putin, bottom spot
Czagataj1234 on
Yes, we all know that. Please, for the love of all gods, everyone stop talking and start actually doing something. We should’ve started preparing for that 3 years ago.
Mdk1191 on
I think its more likely Trump keeps the us in nato but fucks with it
Agreeable_Theme_8025 on
Europe doesn’t need USA protection.
1. Two countries have enough nukes to destroy Russia.
2. With Ukraine included, a total over 500 million people vs Russia’s 110 million people according to census (140 mil according to propagandists).
3. Total economy over x10 Russia’s
4. Russian army is so depleted they couldn’t retake Kursk region, are using tanks developed on Stalin’s orders when he was alive (T55/T60s), and using Ladas, motorbikes, scooters and donkeys for frontline logistics (all on published countless videos). They are barely hanging on for dear life there. Their aviation cannot come even close to the Ukrainian border or it will be shot down, the remains of Black Sea fleet are holed up in Novorossiysk under cover in fear of being completely annihilated. Russian economy is dying in a debt bubble.
Just stop having meaningless meetings and give Ukraine all the long-range missiles it needs to finish the job. I hope Germans vote wisely and hope that Merz can lead EU in the way he has been talking so far.
Europe is like a huge muscular guy afraid of “scary talking” dwarf in a back alley.
LostDreams44 on
You know who would be really good at defending Europe and has the most experienced army in Europe? Ukraine
Pietes on
Weeks people, weeks at best untill he announces withdrawal from Europe and signals that US support even in a defensive war in europe is not happening as long as it is contained to ex-soviet sattelites.
From then on? US stops support to Ukraine. Europe picks up the slack, at the cost of their own defensive capabilities. The US removes sanctions on Russia. Russia starts re-arming and modernizing. In 2026, the Ukraine war is lost. in 2027, the baltics become the next battlefield. All before the culmination of tension around Trump’s succession in 2028, by which time Russia has occupied the Baltics and Moldavia.
That is, UNLESS our people wake up and choose.
Playful_Copy_6293 on
Hopefully thay doesn’t happen, makes no sense.
NATO is a alliance and the US is part of that alliance even if there are some adjustments to be made.
This is starting to feel like a plot to push disinformation to weaken NATO
voodoofaith on
To combat our feelings of fear and uncertantiy we have to acknowledge that the impossible is possible.
That is – a Europe where the US has withdrawn completely and where the Russians are taking a large part of the power vacuum that’s left. Also a Europe where some nation states abandons the EU and put closer ties to the oligarchs in Kreml. Also the fact that large geopolitical dissagrements might end up in war, that superpowers around the global world will pick a side to support. Where the population and modern infrastructure of wartorn country will evaporate due to demographic decline thanks to war being war.
Basically, the war in Ukraine could be the war in our countries tomorrow. What we thought was unthinkable – is now thinkable and slowly becoming real. Total war is once again a possibility.
irtsaca on
I see this as an opportunity we must not waste
Genocode on
I don’t have to brace for anything, already figured the US would not be an ally anymore during the first few days of Trump’s presidency.
neptunereach on
Maybe it’s time to stop preparing and just do it?
THiedldleoR on
Spreading fear among the population and posing as the only person capable of quelling those fears, basic populist strategy when people dislike what you stand for.
mcvos on
Not a CDU fan, but he sounds smarter than Scholz.
gnolex on
USA’s NATO protection is already gone. It’s a legal fiction. If Russia attacked Europe today, US would do nothing to help us. We need to protect ourselves now.
Hendrik_the_Third on
Seems more like we should brace for them leaving it altogether.
In the mean time, I’m hoping it doesn’t take too long for us to link arms… please don’t let us down, Germany, an AfD victory would severely hamper that effort.
DRURLF on
Im Kind of relieved that Merz, despite being wrong on many many domestic policy positions in my opinion, still, together with most other democratic leaders in Germany ahead of the election, has a sense of realism when it comes to foreign politics.
dnohow on
It will happen surely
Agecom5 on
This man isn’t even chancellor yet and he has talked more about European Unity in the past few weeks than Scholz did in the past four years.
GeorgeMcCrate on
I mean, that’s really the minimum. The USA abandoning NATO is basically a given. The worst case we have to prepare for is a war against Russia AND the USA.
Confident_Bee_4435 on
Ending NATO protection is one thing. We’re not even sure if US will put boots on the ground along Russia just to secure those rare earths. Europe should brace for both.
janmiss2k on
Honestly I think most people just wanna cut all affiliation with america.
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Time to protect ourselves and reindustialize.
And support local businesses. r/BuyFromEU
Prepare. It is going to happen. We can be angry about is, we can try to deny it. But that won’t help. We should build an European army with European weapons. Now.
And we knew this was coming. Trump is more blunt than Biden or Obama, but the US wants out, they want out since the ’90s.
In reality, do you think this will be an actual wake up call for Europe that will lead to actual change? Because my concern is Europe will just continue to try to salvage its relationship with the US and do very little to protect itself.
I expect the US will announce withdrawing US troops from Eastern European states any day now. Russia is getting what it wanted out of cultivating Trump for decades. We here in Europe need to put a stop to our own Russian backed politicians & associated social media manipulation.
All that talk for decades that US people are dummies…well here is your stamp of confirmation. In bed with putin, bottom spot
Yes, we all know that. Please, for the love of all gods, everyone stop talking and start actually doing something. We should’ve started preparing for that 3 years ago.
I think its more likely Trump keeps the us in nato but fucks with it
Europe doesn’t need USA protection.
1. Two countries have enough nukes to destroy Russia.
2. With Ukraine included, a total over 500 million people vs Russia’s 110 million people according to census (140 mil according to propagandists).
3. Total economy over x10 Russia’s
4. Russian army is so depleted they couldn’t retake Kursk region, are using tanks developed on Stalin’s orders when he was alive (T55/T60s), and using Ladas, motorbikes, scooters and donkeys for frontline logistics (all on published countless videos). They are barely hanging on for dear life there. Their aviation cannot come even close to the Ukrainian border or it will be shot down, the remains of Black Sea fleet are holed up in Novorossiysk under cover in fear of being completely annihilated. Russian economy is dying in a debt bubble.
Just stop having meaningless meetings and give Ukraine all the long-range missiles it needs to finish the job. I hope Germans vote wisely and hope that Merz can lead EU in the way he has been talking so far.
Europe is like a huge muscular guy afraid of “scary talking” dwarf in a back alley.
You know who would be really good at defending Europe and has the most experienced army in Europe? Ukraine
Weeks people, weeks at best untill he announces withdrawal from Europe and signals that US support even in a defensive war in europe is not happening as long as it is contained to ex-soviet sattelites.
From then on? US stops support to Ukraine. Europe picks up the slack, at the cost of their own defensive capabilities. The US removes sanctions on Russia. Russia starts re-arming and modernizing. In 2026, the Ukraine war is lost. in 2027, the baltics become the next battlefield. All before the culmination of tension around Trump’s succession in 2028, by which time Russia has occupied the Baltics and Moldavia.
That is, UNLESS our people wake up and choose.
Hopefully thay doesn’t happen, makes no sense.
NATO is a alliance and the US is part of that alliance even if there are some adjustments to be made.
This is starting to feel like a plot to push disinformation to weaken NATO
To combat our feelings of fear and uncertantiy we have to acknowledge that the impossible is possible.
That is – a Europe where the US has withdrawn completely and where the Russians are taking a large part of the power vacuum that’s left. Also a Europe where some nation states abandons the EU and put closer ties to the oligarchs in Kreml. Also the fact that large geopolitical dissagrements might end up in war, that superpowers around the global world will pick a side to support. Where the population and modern infrastructure of wartorn country will evaporate due to demographic decline thanks to war being war.
Basically, the war in Ukraine could be the war in our countries tomorrow. What we thought was unthinkable – is now thinkable and slowly becoming real. Total war is once again a possibility.
I see this as an opportunity we must not waste
I don’t have to brace for anything, already figured the US would not be an ally anymore during the first few days of Trump’s presidency.
Maybe it’s time to stop preparing and just do it?
Spreading fear among the population and posing as the only person capable of quelling those fears, basic populist strategy when people dislike what you stand for.
Not a CDU fan, but he sounds smarter than Scholz.
USA’s NATO protection is already gone. It’s a legal fiction. If Russia attacked Europe today, US would do nothing to help us. We need to protect ourselves now.
Seems more like we should brace for them leaving it altogether.
In the mean time, I’m hoping it doesn’t take too long for us to link arms… please don’t let us down, Germany, an AfD victory would severely hamper that effort.
Im Kind of relieved that Merz, despite being wrong on many many domestic policy positions in my opinion, still, together with most other democratic leaders in Germany ahead of the election, has a sense of realism when it comes to foreign politics.
It will happen surely
This man isn’t even chancellor yet and he has talked more about European Unity in the past few weeks than Scholz did in the past four years.
I mean, that’s really the minimum. The USA abandoning NATO is basically a given. The worst case we have to prepare for is a war against Russia AND the USA.
Ending NATO protection is one thing. We’re not even sure if US will put boots on the ground along Russia just to secure those rare earths. Europe should brace for both.
Honestly I think most people just wanna cut all affiliation with america.
.