‘Molto alto’ – 6.000 casi sospetti di frode sociale l’anno scorso
https://www.newstalk.com/news/very-high-6000-suspected-cases-of-welfare-fraud-last-year-2138651
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‘Molto alto’ – 6.000 casi sospetti di frode sociale l’anno scorso
https://www.newstalk.com/news/very-high-6000-suspected-cases-of-welfare-fraud-last-year-2138651
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What about corporate welfare? Does anyone count the fraud on that?
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Right then, clearly something needs to be done about this horrifically high fraud rate of…. 0.56%
There’s far worse going on right now but out comes the lazy politicians looking for something to get easy headlines while avoiding poking any group that may result in backlash.
That seems far less than expected actually
“quite low”
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I mean 6,000 is obviously 6,000 too many and we should crack down on anyone found abusing the system but relatively speaking this doesn’t even make our countries list of top ten problems
“Welfare cheats cheat us all” ~ some dope
Of these suspected cases, how many were actual cases of welfare fraud, not just cases that were part of investigation to determine fraud?
That is a fraction of what I expected actually. Doesn’t seem “very high” at all
6,000 cases doesn’t translate to 6,000 people necessarily either.
That’s a tiny number taking into account overall population
The fact that the detection rate was high indicates the system is working,no?
Unpopular opinion maybe but I really don’t care all that much about this. Welfare is institutional. There’s always going to be people who game the system, and hopefully the system has enough rules in place to reject most of those who try.
Fraud in this case mostly means people who have a side gig paying them cash but who haven’t told the welfare and are still claiming their €244 a week. Moralising about this stuff is just silly when the cost of policing the system is going to be more on the public purse than just accepting a certain amount of slippage. I’m happy not to live in a country like the UK or the US where we deny benefits just in case an undeserving poor person might have the gall to buy a steak or have satellite tv.
I also notice that it’s only ever poor people who get this treatment. I know very rich people who shelter their money in shell corporations to avoid tax and that’s considered smart business. Any middle class person who tells you they’d never accept grant money they were offered even if they might technically be ineligible is lying. I claimed a free flu vaccine even though I don’t live with my elderly parents because I sometimes “care” for them. Is that fraud?
Should we all be moral and upstanding citizens who don’t game the system or rely on the state for anything whatsoever? Sure. But this is an analysis of “does it cost more to police or does it cost more to accept”? I think it’s clear that fraud is not a major strain on the public purse in this case.
It’s a lot easier to make people want to punch down at this non issue instead of demanding the real fraudsters in the dail actually do anything
‘Suspected’? How many actually cheating? And how many of those not nonsense like having a boyfriend stay over you may times?
I think they missed 2 zeros there. But again, it’s just a smokescreen to get the spotlight of the far bigger political corruption, massively overpriced projects, inflated public sector, ironclad pensions, etc.
Oh so THAT’S why our public services and infrastructure are so unbelievably shit /s
6,000 cases out of say thew 1. odd million claims , yeah thats nowhere near high and thats **suspected** cases
Oh Jesus are we going to get the Welfare Cheats Cheat Us All posters again?
6k is honestly not bad. Tbh if I could I’d scam the government myself, it’s not like they work for us. Get your money if ya can.
“suspected”?
They government is heavily signalling that they are going to do huge cuts on Arts and DSP and the media just happily launders it for them without asking questions
How close to even a drop in the bucket does that come to government waste, like for instance the children’s hospital, bike shed, etc
They’d want to go after self employed people also. Some of them are making a killing.
I know a “builder”. Who lets on to revenue his salary is €19,000 a year. And then runs the business on cash only.
Crazy money rolling in.
I have a narcissist in my life who is on disability for a condition he does not have a diagnosis for and has gotten a negative on all tests the hospital has given him regarding it. He usta be a seasonal part time worker until covid when he claimed the pandemic payment even though he was working off the books for most of his adult life. Two weeks after the pandemic payment ended he claims to be disabled. Social welfare rejected his claim 6 times before they gave in. He has been to Asia, all over europe and the US twice on holidays since receiving the disability allowance and regularly post pictures of himself working, traveling ect on his social media. He’s been reported dozens of times and it falls on deaf ears. It’s bizarre.
>Dublin Bay South’s James Geoghegan requested the information after hearing anecdotes from friends about people “gaming the system”.
Christ…
6000 pot smoking koka slurpin gamers.
Would have thought it was waayy more than that
Withdraw all social support from them for a period of 6 months as punishment. If no income, let them accrue social support debt that comes out of their future social support payments automatically.
Numbers are small in the scheme of things but still need to take it seriously and discourage people from abusing the system. There must be punishment for it.
There was an article last week or the week before about a civil servant in the North quitting because the amount of fraud in the welfare system from wealthy people.
I wonder how many wealthy people here are in the 6000 suspected cases.
>Dublin Bay South’s James Geoghegan requested the information after hearing anecdotes from friends about people “gaming the system”.
Newstalk are, of course, very happy to put this on Pat Kenny’s show to make sure everyone is aware that Ireland’s problems are definitely because of poor people and not at all to do with people in power.
Of all sad words of tongue and pen,
The worst are these
“Leo was right again”
I’ve noticed a lot of stories like this recently, for example, you can now have your social welfare reduced by 90E if you don’t engage sufficiently with them. I think they’re going to start chipping away at it and reducing the rates eventually. These type of stories ensure public support for when they eventually implement their plan. Not good for those who rely on it for survival and you just have to look at the UK (who I think our gov follows alot in terms of policy) to see what a banjaxed welfare system looks like
The Irish Times article goes into more details on it.
The most frequent fraudulent claim is jobseekers 71%, aftwr that its illness 7%, child benefit (that one is surprising) 6%, one parent 4% and supplementary 2%.
Many of the cases it is suspect the people claiming them no longer live in Ireland or have been getting overpayments meaning people leaving out/ giving misleading information about their financial status. Examples like not declaring savings or not declaring your wages that are cash in hand. Claiming illness, child benefit whilst you don’t live in the country, or continuing to work for cash in hand whilst on jobseekers, illness or supplementary. Also claiming single parent when your partner lives with you.
I’ve also seen how the partial jobseekers can be abused. They send out forms to give your employer to fill in. As a manager I used to have to fill them out for part time staff (after headoffice decided to cut everyone’s hours) and I refused to stamp and sign it for a staff as she prefilled in the days she worked as 2 days when she had worked 4 that week. I found out later the previous manager allowed a supervisor to sign the dorm for her and would allow her to say she worked less than she did.