La dipendenza europea dagli Stati Uniti faceva parte del piano della NATO per promuovere gli interessi statunitensi. Sleale? Gli Stati Uniti che pagano di più, non erano un bug del sistema. Era una caratteristica. In cambio dell’impegno degli Stati Uniti, gli alleati statunitensi hanno accettato il ruolo dominante dell’America nel sistema internazionale
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-dependence-on-the-us-was-all-part-of-the-plan-donald-trump-nato/
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US didnt “pay more”. they spent more.
nobody in NATO is “paying” anything. its spending their own tax dollars on their own economies by making massive amounts of weapons. then they said, “dont worry guys, we got this.” and the rest of nato was like “sweet. lets fund healthcare and public benefits”
stop furthering trumps bullshit by repeating that stupid statement
False.
The whole point of NATO was to deter Europeans from constantly starting World Wars and killing each other.
America is now realizing funding the protection of Europe is no longer a priority and should instead focus on themselves.
They want to control the world. That’s why they have military bases all over the world, not just in Europe. It’s to blackmail countries to do what they want. They are not here (solely) to protect us. That’s not the main reason.
[And it works.](https://nltimes.nl/2024/10/22/asml-expects-pressure-us-restrict-exports-china)
But there’s also something as imperial overstretch, and it seems the US is heading that direction fast. Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.
We really need to stop thinking we need the US for our own protection. We don’t. But as long as our political leaders keep saying that, the US will keep blackmailing us into doing what they want.
Russia has sure got in your heads. GLWT
I believe that the Americans have simply been funding the far-right in Europe for years. Even Brexit was carried out with their money. A united Europe is very difficult to manipulate. I hope we all wake up and build a common army—history repeats itself, and another war could come at any time. America is clearly in decline and is starting to act like a sore loser. This is not our fault… and we take no joy in it. But we must acknowledge that in all European countries, people have a better quality of life than they do (vacations, healthcare, social protection, etc.).
There’s no “United States” anymore.
It’s called either “South Canada” or “West Russia” from now on.
This part was so obvious to any non-idiot observer. We literally made Europeans abandon their traditional formations and turned their armies into smaller expeditionary forces to support US operations. MAGA is simply retarded.
That would require extensive analysis, but… could Germany be trusted with nuclear weapons? Italy? Spain?
For most of the time they were there to prevent insane ideas to take foot. Paradoxically they are now infected by the bug of fascism and can’t be trusted.
“The United States has built overwhelmingly massive military assets there [in Europe] to deter local arms races before they begin, and it has simultaneously assured those under U.S. protection that there is no need to begin local arms races, for their safety is guaranteed. *American grand strategy rests upon the credibility of its promise to protect American allies*; this credibility rests, in turn, upon U.S. willingness to display its commitment. (The Berlin Airlift, when U.S. troops airlifted supplies to Berlin during a Soviet blockade, was precisely such a display.) In return for the United States’ commitment, U.S. allies have accepted America’s dominant role in the international system.”
Y’all just need to bend over a little more. How much? Stay tuned as Donald would say.
This is just copium. The US didn’t put a gun to European countries’ heads and forced them to demilitarize. We did that in order to cash in on the peace dividend so we can spend it on social welfare programmes. Instead of deflecting to some unspoken agreement of US dominance, which isn’t even true given that they couldn’t even get us to divest ourselves from Russian gas, we should take a hard look at ourselves.
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature was aware of this for decades already. But saying it out loud got you branded as a Russian propagandist.
Europe (and the rest of the world) will become a plaything for US, China and Russia.
As NATO crumbles.. Small states with varying interests cannot match these monolith dictatorships.
The future is bleak…
This is not a strong argument – one should not allow the other to tell them what to do and how. We are not children. Even if they buy us candies.
US did indeed spend more on defence (80% aagainst 20% of all NATO partners) which encouraged EU countries to shirk, and instead finance wealfare. A cherry on a cake is €480bn – amount of defence spending that was NEVER spent since unification of Germany. This is a shotfall of 2% target just from Germany measured in today’s prices (more than twice what Ukraine has received).
The biggest problem was, however, dependence on russian gas and oil. This has created a situation where russia was accumulating wealth – using it later to launch war against Ukraine.It was Europe’s mistake and we are paying the price. US administration under President Obama was already dicussing withdrawals of US troops from Europe, we just did not listen. This was not out of the blue.
But what we did not expect was Mr KGB Trump. 180 degree switch in a matter of hours – this was a watershed moment we have never anticipated. What a fuck up.
people forget about vats, how do you think americans feel paying a tax on european goods just because they are european.
Yeah. The trump admin and MAGA just don’t get this. It was intentional. NATO was USA led and designed and created.
Europe buys American weapons. USA gets bases everywhere, global unified defense, a good chunk of the world beside them on major issues, soft influence.
The US has been persistently asking Europe to increase military spending for at least the last twenty five years. In additional the US has been cutting spending since it’s withdrawn from Iraq, they’ve made no secret of a desire to proportionally spend less on military commitments and wind back:
https://data.worldbank.org/share/widget?indicators=MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS&locations=US-EU-GB&start=2000
The system was set up in 1945.
The US was way richer than Europe back then.
But now Europe is “seen” as richer than the US.
I am an American and my whole life I see videos about how great Europe is. Europe has free health care. Wow European cities are so great. Wow no student loan debt. A vacation to Europe is something only the top 20% do.
There is jealousy and a feeling that the US cannot have those things because of military spending.
It is not True minimum wage in California is $3300 a month. That is $3100 euros. Yes fast food workers make that and still get your order wrong . But Americans think Europe is rich we are poor.
[https://www.linkielist.com/economics/us-eu-nato-expenditure-is-the-balance-really-so-lopsided/](https://www.linkielist.com/economics/us-eu-nato-expenditure-is-the-balance-really-so-lopsided/)