Makes no sense to have a body outside the structures which already exist in the EU. Structures which serve as a forum and dispute resolution. Third countries like Turkey and Britain can participate on the basis of agreements concluded with the EU.
aiart13 on
UK should rejoin EU ASAP.
The new post by Trump on expelling/arresting/deporting students and cutting funds to universities/schools only shows they won’t oblige to law any more and they intent to hold their power with force.
toolkitxx on
Oh for f… sake: article 5 is not just to call the US. The strength of NATO has always been the overall force that would react and not a single nation.
iceasteroid on
There is a real European alliance already, the one Telegraph for years worked really hard to discredit ending with the UK leaving it – it’s called European Union.
Euthanasia-survivor on
Trump’s administration might be the best thing to happen to European autonomy and the realisation that we have to work together to protect our continent and our sovereignty.
bober8848 on
So, 10 years of war and 8 years of requests for fulfilling their part of defense agreement was not enough, it had to be “fuck you, you’re on your own now” to make them move?
darklinux1977 on
Well, ladies and gentlemen, let’s build, it seems that it costs too much for their purses, let’s build the equipment that we lack, in open source, let’s be imaginative. At worst we will have an equivalent of DARPA, of Silicon Valley, we have everything to gain! The USA wants to close doors, windows, drawbridges? Thank you, goodbye
jlp-1991 on
Nato isnt dead 😂
Ninevehenian on
Telegraph has been an ally of trump – GOP and possibly still is. This sounds like they are spewing pro-putin propaganda.
Viliam_the_Vurst on
Nato isn‘t deadjust because the us leaves…
Aegeansunset12 on
The current American president and administration give me the impression that they only care about the rule of might and white/christian nationalism. They see in Putin a strong man and a white nation with “traditional values”, whereas they view the eu as an extension of the democrat party.
lazzzym on
If America leaves NATO… Then NATO still exists. Still has nuclear weapons and still has article 5 to defend each other.
cheatriverrick on
NATO sill lives. Barely. Trump has shown his true colors. Trump and his people have obviously NOT READ the nuclear proliferation treaty from about 30 years ago. The treaty speaks for itself.
GeneralGringus on
No, NATO is not “dead” at all.
Low_Description4135 on
There is a new version of NATO. America, North Korea, Russia, and ISrael
AnonymousTimewaster on
Never thought I’d see the Telegraph promoting a European army.
OhCD6 on
Russia and China may want others to think than NATO is dead without USA, but NATO is more than just USA
reddittorbrigade on
NATO is not Donald Trump. A convicted criminal and rapist is a lot weaker than you thought.
ellie_s45 on
I’m surprised such a Euroskeptic newspaper as the Telegraph would even publish an article about a European alliance. We don’t need to build a new one, we already have an integrated defense network in NATO, with or without America. Just let Trump withdraw and we’ll have to fill in the gaps. We won’t be nearly as strong but we only need to defend against Russia who aren’t nearly as strong as the numbers suggest. They can’t produce enough advanced weaponry for millions of troops.
Sandmancze on
The thing is, that a strength of an aliance is only proven when tested by some difficult times. We can build whatever alliance we want, but it’s kind of just words until it isn’t.
We here in Czechia remember well a couple of these…
Wellsy on
Please include Canada in a pan-European alliance. We are unfortunately on the wrong side of the Atlantic, but we’ll ship all the resources we can, while we can.
The world is taking a dark turn.
muformoon on
“…and the UK, France and Germany (the big powers).“
France and germany 😂😂😂
FantasyFrikadel on
Repeating Putin’s dreams as fact are we?
quantilian on
There are 32 counties in nato. Usa is just one of the member. Why everyone thinks that USA is the belly of this organization?
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NATO isn’t dead, it’ll just lose the US.
Makes no sense to have a body outside the structures which already exist in the EU. Structures which serve as a forum and dispute resolution. Third countries like Turkey and Britain can participate on the basis of agreements concluded with the EU.
UK should rejoin EU ASAP.
The new post by Trump on expelling/arresting/deporting students and cutting funds to universities/schools only shows they won’t oblige to law any more and they intent to hold their power with force.
Oh for f… sake: article 5 is not just to call the US. The strength of NATO has always been the overall force that would react and not a single nation.
There is a real European alliance already, the one Telegraph for years worked really hard to discredit ending with the UK leaving it – it’s called European Union.
Trump’s administration might be the best thing to happen to European autonomy and the realisation that we have to work together to protect our continent and our sovereignty.
So, 10 years of war and 8 years of requests for fulfilling their part of defense agreement was not enough, it had to be “fuck you, you’re on your own now” to make them move?
Well, ladies and gentlemen, let’s build, it seems that it costs too much for their purses, let’s build the equipment that we lack, in open source, let’s be imaginative. At worst we will have an equivalent of DARPA, of Silicon Valley, we have everything to gain! The USA wants to close doors, windows, drawbridges? Thank you, goodbye
Nato isnt dead 😂
Telegraph has been an ally of trump – GOP and possibly still is. This sounds like they are spewing pro-putin propaganda.
Nato isn‘t deadjust because the us leaves…
The current American president and administration give me the impression that they only care about the rule of might and white/christian nationalism. They see in Putin a strong man and a white nation with “traditional values”, whereas they view the eu as an extension of the democrat party.
If America leaves NATO… Then NATO still exists. Still has nuclear weapons and still has article 5 to defend each other.
NATO sill lives. Barely. Trump has shown his true colors. Trump and his people have obviously NOT READ the nuclear proliferation treaty from about 30 years ago. The treaty speaks for itself.
No, NATO is not “dead” at all.
There is a new version of NATO. America, North Korea, Russia, and ISrael
Never thought I’d see the Telegraph promoting a European army.
Russia and China may want others to think than NATO is dead without USA, but NATO is more than just USA
NATO is not Donald Trump. A convicted criminal and rapist is a lot weaker than you thought.
I’m surprised such a Euroskeptic newspaper as the Telegraph would even publish an article about a European alliance. We don’t need to build a new one, we already have an integrated defense network in NATO, with or without America. Just let Trump withdraw and we’ll have to fill in the gaps. We won’t be nearly as strong but we only need to defend against Russia who aren’t nearly as strong as the numbers suggest. They can’t produce enough advanced weaponry for millions of troops.
The thing is, that a strength of an aliance is only proven when tested by some difficult times. We can build whatever alliance we want, but it’s kind of just words until it isn’t.
We here in Czechia remember well a couple of these…
Please include Canada in a pan-European alliance. We are unfortunately on the wrong side of the Atlantic, but we’ll ship all the resources we can, while we can.
The world is taking a dark turn.
“…and the UK, France and Germany (the big powers).“
France and germany 😂😂😂
Repeating Putin’s dreams as fact are we?
There are 32 counties in nato. Usa is just one of the member. Why everyone thinks that USA is the belly of this organization?