La Turchia vorrebbe far parte di qualsiasi nuova architettura di sicurezza europea se la NATO si svela, dice la FM Fidan turca
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La Turchia vorrebbe far parte di qualsiasi nuova architettura di sicurezza europea se la NATO si svela, dice la FM Fidan turca
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In my opinion, it would be foolish not to include them.
Even if it comes without a veto?
Turkey, Canada why not
It’ll be to the benefit of all parties. Russia is Turkey’s strategic adversary in the Black Sea region and Syria, while Europe benefits from Turkey’s large and battle hardened military and productive military-industrial complex.
So of course Turkey will be part of any kind of post-NATO European security architecture.
I think this will be the era of “Europeanisation” of Turkey. They have taken steps in the past and rolled back but Russia is as big a threat to Turkey as it is to the European union. I don’t think that means EU accession for Turkey but it does mean a drastic change in the geopolitical relationship.
If Turkey would have stayed a secular state as envisioned by Ataturk, then the resistance of the EU would be much lower.
Not great,
not terrible.
Not surprised. Europe is arming itself to the teeth. Turkey has a big, modern army, but no allies in the vicinity, other than their current Nato partners. With global geopolitics shifting, both sides do not want to become each other’s enemy and Turkey needs friends.
So it’s beneficial for both parties to keep a form of alliance if Nato falls.
They do like to shoot down Russian aircraft and control a vital sea lane.
Just do away with the single vote veto to avoid a hostage-taking.
As a Turkish let me emhpasis that democracy and dictatorships are not 0-1 but rather a spectrum. Don’t put Erdogan and Putin and Xi in the same bag. Because underlying politic dynamics that resulted these men to acquire too-much-power is very different in those countries.
In Turkiye right now the politic dynamics are barely supports Erdogan to hold all the power and EU and Turkiye getting closer may empower the proper democracy demand of the people of Turkey and that might be enough to tilt the power balance. And i’d assume (maybe a wishful thinking) but, Erdogan in his last days of his life might be willing to share the power with parlement and apply a smooth-transition to a proper democracy. (Considering that it is not possible for him to hold all the power due to consistently losing the popularity and he may want to prepare turkiye to post-erdogan process himself)
If they could stop entertaining every beef they have with many European countries as a sign of good faith that would be great.
Greece at least would be relieved.
I remember when Sweden wanted to survive and Turkey could be an ally or a hindrance.
seeing all these NATO unraveling news is making me so fucking nervous
Well yeah that’s believeable. If I were Turkish I’d definitely want to be part of whatever comes next, in case of NATO collapse / fall into irrelevance.
The issue is that the Erdogan government wants all the benefits of being in Europe (whether that means EU or just the overall European community) with sizeable caveats on the actual commitments…
Please don’t make the whole world an enemy. If we start excluding literally everyone who is not an ideal liberal democracy at the end not much is left.
We can work with Turkey. We need them, they need us.
Canada would too, I’d expect.
Do it, also Frqnce, UK, Germany everyone they can like Canada and Australia etc lets make the world great again.
If?
I hate to say it but a possible new NATO needs turkey more than the reverse.
The geostrategical location of turkey is absolutely invaluable.
That being said, uh, can we all agree that Erdogan, despite obviously being the smart guy that is leveraging the insane hand he has been dealt is still a massive problem and that turkey will absolutely stirr up shit?
I changed my mind. Türkiye should take part in this army. If it does not, it will get closer to Russia and Iran, which will be the end of “Turkish democracy”
Sure. Just become a Democracy first.
No offense, but seeing what “questionable” democracies like Hungary do in democratic alliances do, I rather not have them on board yet…
Can we trust Turkey?
I’d think Europe would absolutely clamour to have Turkey in the security structure. Which means it won’t be an EU structure (Still think keeping Turkey out is a mistake, long term)
Apologies for not following closely. Isn’t Turkey led by a questionably elected tyrant. Why would this be advantageous to a free Europe.
EU nations have lost sovereignty for the benefits of EU. Its a union of trust but turkey cannot be trusted. They ll sell an EU country to Russia or China if its lucrative for them. Just look how they blackmailed EU with refugees, veto’d Sweden n Norway’s NATO entry, sold the Iranians etc etc… Europe will be stupid to fund the next phase of neo-ottoman expansion based on sweet words. Their actions tell a different story than the words
I don’t know about Turkey; they have always abused their NATO membership. Who says they won’t do the same with the new European coalition?