Banning X would be a good start to an anti-Musk counteroffensive. As Thierry Breton, former internal market commissioner at the European Commission, said in January, this is “legitimately possible.”
As we watched the spectacle put on by the U.S. administration for the Ukrainian president at the White House last week, there were some conscious voices saying that our – i.e., Europe’s – priority is not necessarily to choose the friendliest patron from the trio of the U.S., China or Russia. Instead, we should work out a way to curb Facebook and X’s arbitrariness in the European Union.
This was put more precisely by Jacek K. Sokolowski, author of last year’s book Transnaród. Poles in Search of Political Form, who wrote (on X): “The current state of Facebook and Twitter is such that all this crap would be best just blocked in Europe.”
And it’s not about “censorship,” the declaration of which Bogdan Rymanowski tried to force Magdalena Biejat to declare, nor about restoring standards or tough, protracted negotiations. Rather, it’s about immediately restricting the activities of foreign agents – a position that, as is well known, unites across divisions.
Tango with a phalanx (and chałkoń)
As a user of both services, I can add some observation to Sokolowski’s statement. X seemed to be a platform dominated by pornobots and FSB-funded accounts long before Elon Musk actively joined the campaign for the AfD, and each successive performance by J.D. Vance wiping his mouth with freedom of speech only accelerated the service’s transformation into a dysfunctional, gnarly base for anti-Ukrainian propaganda.
On Facebook, it’s a little funnier – artificial intelligence-generated, touching photos of non-existent centenarians baking bread, farmers with chalcon and elderly men waiting for dinner to be served on hold garner thousands of likes and supportive comments. The graphics, often hiding behind religious fanpages captured by political staffers or “independent” troll farms and pensioner groupies whose role in the site was strengthened a few years ago, are just a prelude to the propaganda brainwashing that awaits us in the months leading up to the presidential election.
So X caters to the young angry, Facebook to the autumn of life, grooming users with content not yet (and only seemingly) related to politics. But – and here again to quote Sokolowski – it’s not that every vote matters: “You guys are stupid and without it. The soszials are there to stupefy the political elite and decision-makers, so that they believe that what they see in the soszials are their voters and that there is no other world outside the soszials.”
For policymakers to believe that the world exists only in social media, they cannot be marginalized by it. If Musk were to cut Tusk’s reach overnight, the whole scam behind the former Twitterer would become transparent and make one look at the mechanisms of the system. That’s why, for the time being, the prime minister enjoys the relative sympathy of the American algorithm, spins popular, funny rolls on X and TikTok, and scolds his subordinates for not too readily garnering discussion on the service of a modern-day Joseph Goebbels.
“It’s unacceptable for a politician not to have his social media today,” KO politicians heard from their boss, who lives in an illusion similar to the protagonist of an old joke who stands in front of a vending machine, drops in more coins and can’t walk away from the machine, shouting to the people hurrying him along in line: “Are you guys crazy? After all, I’m still winning!” The feeling that Tusk, Myrcha and Sikorski can “cheat” the algorithm, however, is completely narcissistic and naive.
Nonetheless, it persists and drives Polish politicians, who are convening press conferences less and less frequently and are not overly concerned about media coverage – even if it is funded by the Treasury. It is unclear why we have to learn about the actions of the Polish authorities through a private American company managed by a fascist car salesman. Looking at the current state of diplomatic relations – I might as well look for reports about the Polish rule of law on Weibo.
One_Alternative_6965 on
Meta is cancer and should not be on your phone/ pc anyway
Lotap on
Poland should, but it’s hard to imagine considering that 50% of people vote for PiS and конфедерация.
DodSkonvirke on
Can EU put tariffs on US social media/software providers revenues, as part of the trade war?? netflix etc. too??
tygrys666 on
X and Facebook are a cancer for democracy. Don’t forget Brexit.
Purple_Feature1861 on
Please! Hopefully other countries will follow suit
o_joao_sou_eu on
DO IT ALREADY… And create EU social media.
Miserable_Cress_1678 on
I support it 110%. So sick of social media fucking with our beautiful heads. We are an incredible species and it reduces us to bleep bloop batteries. Fuck all good comes from it. Flip this shit. Let’s change our desires. Let’s dare to want and work towards a truly better future
PieScout on
The state of Polish twitter is fucking toxic that that itself should be enough for a ban in the country.
TaZe026 on
Quickly, before you become as braindead as the US!
b3rgmanhugh on
Yesterday was already too late. Good ridance.
DescendedTestes on
These are not news, but propaganda. American here agrees you should ban.
Hokikunda on
BS, good idea, but there will never be the courage and the consensus among EU members to do it.
Certain-Month-5981 on
Great Europe take next step in shopping money flowing to the super rich
DommeUG on
This mentality of banning everyone and everything you dont like is exactly what is making people on the right more extreme.
danrokk on
Why would Poland push for it? If it’s EU initiative, then EU should push for it. Why are you pushing one country to be a face of this initiative?
amensentis on
Just do it! Its full of Russian bots and Trump propaganda anyway. Only disinformation brainwashing our citizens into thinking climate change is fake, wokeness is worse than war crimes and other completely unhinged opinions.
paulridby on
I’m all for it, I really am. But when considering it, we always forget about the businesses, SMEs, that use social networks to work, advertise, sell, etc. IMO this is the main issue. I’m a public worker so I’m not concerned but, yeah…
delectable_wawa on
Holy shit you know something is a good policy plan when the bots are this active in opposing it.
Banning social media websites for not complying with existing EU laws on disinformation is not censorship. You will still be able to communicate online, even get your Russian botfarm slop, I promise, you’ll just have to look harder and it won’t flood half the internet constantly.
Ok-Chapter-2071 on
PLEASE.
thatwasagoodscan on
Really showing all the people who say the EU want to control information how wrong they are…
olaysizdagilmayin on
Considering they collect a lot of potentially sensitive data, it can and maybe should be implemented, just like tiktok.
Bar50cal on
I support this but thousands of Europeans will be put out of work who are directly employed by these companies.
Its easy to say ban them but not so simple to do.
BoGuS88 on
As a Pole I agree.Yup,let’s go. Fuck FB, Insta, and X—burn these propaganda nests to the ground.
finitepie on
Banning whole platforms like X or whatever won’t solve anything. The best way of protecting a free and open society is a solid eduction for everyone and the availability of good media for getting a factual, critical and differentiated analysis of the complex political topics we are facing nowadays. What we need is a culture of political discussion, that is not about domination over your opponent by any means possible, but that is actually aimed in expanding your understanding and finding a solution together.
hgartti on
Meta and X are worst than fentanyl, and there is no way back. They are used to flood spread disinformation without any control knowing that there is an effor 100:1 to validate and contrast the sources to be able to refute it…. absolute cancer
StevoFF82 on
Every European country should at this point. It’s an absolute cancer to society.
KaliJr on
DO IT. FUCK EVERYTHING, we’ll figure out new stuff to use, enough of these companies and their stranglehold on our lives
Prestigious_Cook_302 on
I second this
Klinker1234 on
Good.
thoms689 on
Absolutely, Russia and the US are now both trying to manipulate the dumbest of us to elect traitors such as le pen, afd, orban and trump, and they will succeed if we dont do something to remove the amount of propaganda that are fed to our populations. Look at the guy that almost got elected in romania, look at the rise at other far right parties in several European countries.
Imagine if we had a fico or an orban in every single European country, all the increase in military envesting in wouldn’t mean shıt if let the Russian and American puppets run our governments.
kemistrythecat on
I have always been a big net neutralality advocate. I still am. I also work in the tech industry. However, in this case I’d fully support the decision to ban these great tools of toilet propaganda which is effectively what Facebook et al has become.
Penderbron on
Go for it. The misinformation running there is insane.
No-Entertainer8650 on
Do it asap!
listhor on
DON’T ban anything, free speech forever! Just educate, promote your views and/or platforms you want to broadcast them on…
Once governments start banning one thing, they won’t stop there and continue somewhere else…
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Good riddance
Banning X would be a good start to an anti-Musk counteroffensive. As Thierry Breton, former internal market commissioner at the European Commission, said in January, this is “legitimately possible.”
As we watched the spectacle put on by the U.S. administration for the Ukrainian president at the White House last week, there were some conscious voices saying that our – i.e., Europe’s – priority is not necessarily to choose the friendliest patron from the trio of the U.S., China or Russia. Instead, we should work out a way to curb Facebook and X’s arbitrariness in the European Union.
This was put more precisely by Jacek K. Sokolowski, author of last year’s book Transnaród. Poles in Search of Political Form, who wrote (on X): “The current state of Facebook and Twitter is such that all this crap would be best just blocked in Europe.”
And it’s not about “censorship,” the declaration of which Bogdan Rymanowski tried to force Magdalena Biejat to declare, nor about restoring standards or tough, protracted negotiations. Rather, it’s about immediately restricting the activities of foreign agents – a position that, as is well known, unites across divisions.
Tango with a phalanx (and chałkoń)
As a user of both services, I can add some observation to Sokolowski’s statement. X seemed to be a platform dominated by pornobots and FSB-funded accounts long before Elon Musk actively joined the campaign for the AfD, and each successive performance by J.D. Vance wiping his mouth with freedom of speech only accelerated the service’s transformation into a dysfunctional, gnarly base for anti-Ukrainian propaganda.
On Facebook, it’s a little funnier – artificial intelligence-generated, touching photos of non-existent centenarians baking bread, farmers with chalcon and elderly men waiting for dinner to be served on hold garner thousands of likes and supportive comments. The graphics, often hiding behind religious fanpages captured by political staffers or “independent” troll farms and pensioner groupies whose role in the site was strengthened a few years ago, are just a prelude to the propaganda brainwashing that awaits us in the months leading up to the presidential election.
So X caters to the young angry, Facebook to the autumn of life, grooming users with content not yet (and only seemingly) related to politics. But – and here again to quote Sokolowski – it’s not that every vote matters: “You guys are stupid and without it. The soszials are there to stupefy the political elite and decision-makers, so that they believe that what they see in the soszials are their voters and that there is no other world outside the soszials.”
For policymakers to believe that the world exists only in social media, they cannot be marginalized by it. If Musk were to cut Tusk’s reach overnight, the whole scam behind the former Twitterer would become transparent and make one look at the mechanisms of the system. That’s why, for the time being, the prime minister enjoys the relative sympathy of the American algorithm, spins popular, funny rolls on X and TikTok, and scolds his subordinates for not too readily garnering discussion on the service of a modern-day Joseph Goebbels.
“It’s unacceptable for a politician not to have his social media today,” KO politicians heard from their boss, who lives in an illusion similar to the protagonist of an old joke who stands in front of a vending machine, drops in more coins and can’t walk away from the machine, shouting to the people hurrying him along in line: “Are you guys crazy? After all, I’m still winning!” The feeling that Tusk, Myrcha and Sikorski can “cheat” the algorithm, however, is completely narcissistic and naive.
Nonetheless, it persists and drives Polish politicians, who are convening press conferences less and less frequently and are not overly concerned about media coverage – even if it is funded by the Treasury. It is unclear why we have to learn about the actions of the Polish authorities through a private American company managed by a fascist car salesman. Looking at the current state of diplomatic relations – I might as well look for reports about the Polish rule of law on Weibo.
Meta is cancer and should not be on your phone/ pc anyway
Poland should, but it’s hard to imagine considering that 50% of people vote for PiS and конфедерация.
Can EU put tariffs on US social media/software providers revenues, as part of the trade war?? netflix etc. too??
X and Facebook are a cancer for democracy. Don’t forget Brexit.
Please! Hopefully other countries will follow suit
DO IT ALREADY… And create EU social media.
I support it 110%. So sick of social media fucking with our beautiful heads. We are an incredible species and it reduces us to bleep bloop batteries. Fuck all good comes from it. Flip this shit. Let’s change our desires. Let’s dare to want and work towards a truly better future
The state of Polish twitter is fucking toxic that that itself should be enough for a ban in the country.
Quickly, before you become as braindead as the US!
Yesterday was already too late. Good ridance.
These are not news, but propaganda. American here agrees you should ban.
BS, good idea, but there will never be the courage and the consensus among EU members to do it.
Great Europe take next step in shopping money flowing to the super rich
This mentality of banning everyone and everything you dont like is exactly what is making people on the right more extreme.
Why would Poland push for it? If it’s EU initiative, then EU should push for it. Why are you pushing one country to be a face of this initiative?
Just do it! Its full of Russian bots and Trump propaganda anyway. Only disinformation brainwashing our citizens into thinking climate change is fake, wokeness is worse than war crimes and other completely unhinged opinions.
I’m all for it, I really am. But when considering it, we always forget about the businesses, SMEs, that use social networks to work, advertise, sell, etc. IMO this is the main issue. I’m a public worker so I’m not concerned but, yeah…
Holy shit you know something is a good policy plan when the bots are this active in opposing it.
Banning social media websites for not complying with existing EU laws on disinformation is not censorship. You will still be able to communicate online, even get your Russian botfarm slop, I promise, you’ll just have to look harder and it won’t flood half the internet constantly.
PLEASE.
Really showing all the people who say the EU want to control information how wrong they are…
Considering they collect a lot of potentially sensitive data, it can and maybe should be implemented, just like tiktok.
I support this but thousands of Europeans will be put out of work who are directly employed by these companies.
Its easy to say ban them but not so simple to do.
As a Pole I agree.Yup,let’s go. Fuck FB, Insta, and X—burn these propaganda nests to the ground.
Banning whole platforms like X or whatever won’t solve anything. The best way of protecting a free and open society is a solid eduction for everyone and the availability of good media for getting a factual, critical and differentiated analysis of the complex political topics we are facing nowadays. What we need is a culture of political discussion, that is not about domination over your opponent by any means possible, but that is actually aimed in expanding your understanding and finding a solution together.
Meta and X are worst than fentanyl, and there is no way back. They are used to flood spread disinformation without any control knowing that there is an effor 100:1 to validate and contrast the sources to be able to refute it…. absolute cancer
Every European country should at this point. It’s an absolute cancer to society.
DO IT. FUCK EVERYTHING, we’ll figure out new stuff to use, enough of these companies and their stranglehold on our lives
I second this
Good.
Absolutely, Russia and the US are now both trying to manipulate the dumbest of us to elect traitors such as le pen, afd, orban and trump, and they will succeed if we dont do something to remove the amount of propaganda that are fed to our populations. Look at the guy that almost got elected in romania, look at the rise at other far right parties in several European countries.
Imagine if we had a fico or an orban in every single European country, all the increase in military envesting in wouldn’t mean shıt if let the Russian and American puppets run our governments.
I have always been a big net neutralality advocate. I still am. I also work in the tech industry. However, in this case I’d fully support the decision to ban these great tools of toilet propaganda which is effectively what Facebook et al has become.
Go for it. The misinformation running there is insane.
Do it asap!
DON’T ban anything, free speech forever! Just educate, promote your views and/or platforms you want to broadcast them on…
Once governments start banning one thing, they won’t stop there and continue somewhere else…