Tusk PM polacco: la Polonia considera il ritiro da munizioni a cluster e convenzioni di miniere anti-persona, esaminerà tutte le opzioni sulle armi nucleari e non convenzionali
Tusk PM polacco: la Polonia considera il ritiro da munizioni a cluster e convenzioni di miniere anti-persona, esaminerà tutte le opzioni sulle armi nucleari e non convenzionali
Poland knows. And I’m grateful we have them as allies and neighbors. They don’t rely on hope.
DartTyranus on
Finnaly we can achieve Wałęsa’s dreams regrading dealing with the Russians
Grenache on
Fuck em up Poland.
UAP_enthusiast_PL on
We’ve been considering it for 2 years now, more? Just do it
lihr__ on
YES!
Unfortunately, there is NO high road to take here. And it sucks.
RyJ94 on
Good. Enough of this “being the bigger person” bullshit.
BeepVeet on
Our adversaries don’t follow the treaties so clearly the treaty failed – and hence no reason for it to be followed.
“but our treaties” isn’t that helpful when your neighbor has nukes aimed at you and has been committing war crimes.
LaurestineHUN on
Nuclear Poland!
capitan_turtle on
Nuclear anti personnel mines are the way to go
PriorityMuted8024 on
This agreement and similar ones were created under the impression that all conflicting nations would follow the spirit of the Geneva Convention. Countries that signed up genuinely believed that the time of barbaric wars had ended and that we were marching towards a more civilized future.
Thanks to Russia, this dream is gone now.
It may come back or may not. Until then, every nation needs to be prepared for the worst possible outcomes. Leaving that treaty is a good decision. In case of war, the other side won’t retain itself, won’t show mercy or any basic human behavior, but will do anything to destroy you. So yeah, unfortunately, this is what it is
Agitated-Airline6760 on
Cluster Munitions, Anti-Personnel Mines Conventions and NPT are good ideas but ONLY IF everyone abides by them. If your potential enemy or enemies doesn’t abide by them, then it’s like bringing only a knife to a gun fight because you signed the “no firearm treaty”.
djquu on
When Russia has withdrawn from conventions and/or blatantly violates them, what’s use for them?
Overall-Medicine4308 on
He’s right. No country with the potential for aggression towards Europe is bound by this nonsense.
gar1848 on
Depressing but inevitable. With the growing threats from both Washington and Moscow, Europe must rearm itself at all costs
Ok_Banana_4253 on
Poland is taking the saying: “Geneva convention? More like geneva suggestion” to heart
Xegeth on
Good. They have a freaking radioactive element named after them.
BadOdd1861 on
A smart and unavoidable move. All EU armies should do the same for obvious reasons. Our rational and humanistic approach to everything, including warfare, has hit a brick wall of geopolitical reality. We can’t afford idealism anymore. Poland is approaching this from a logical perspective.
Upbeat_Psychology915 on
This is survival for Europe.
raskim7 on
Good. Finland is also looking into resigning from Ottawa agreement and looking getting the mines back, maybe even before summer (todays headlines). We have already something similar to landmines, more nasty but more expensive. But Ukraine situation has shown that basic landmines still do fantastic job slowing down the attacker. They are not unproblematic, but neither is letting attacker proceed.
IIDenis on
The only potential opponent of Poland and the Baltic states in the region is russia, which does not respect any rules and violates all norms of warfare
Codeworks on
The biggest victim of the Ukraine war is non-proliferation, and the pussyfooting around against Russias red lines caused it.
Why would anyone not develop nukes if their nuclear neighbours can invade?
sp0sterig on
what is the source of this news?
Ok-Chapter-2071 on
I think we need nukes in all the biggest countries in Europe.
gamma55 on
So, nuclear proliferation is now cheered?
Guess we are happy that Iran will develop them after all.
World is definitely much better when everyone gets to use them at as low threshold as possible. And to think it hasn’t even been 3 years since Poland had a corrupt as fuck government, and now you want them to have nukes.
GreenValeGarden on
I always liked Tusk from his role in the EU. All I can say is “oh fuck, he knows something”
Mohelanthropus on
All should be on the table. Putins next target is Romania, Poland, etc. “Oppressed Russians”.
Toad_the_Lurker on
Understandable. The reason so many European and Asian countries did not develop nuclear weapons was became America told the free democratic countries they had their back. Now without that many nations will develop their own. Which now seems like a very good idea. What the US loses is a positive impact on the world stage, good friendly relations that actually enrich US coffers with favorable trade pacts on a global scale.
TheSwedishPanda80 on
Don’t consider it, just do it, all of Europe should withdraw from these limiting treaties, it’s not like the ruzzians will adhere to them
badmotherfocker on
Wise move. When it comes to Russia it’s better to keep all options on the table.
No-Paramedic9130 on
Yes, do it! Nuclear reactors too! I love what Macron is doing, but know we all know every country needs its own missilies without remote OFF button.
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Poland knows. And I’m grateful we have them as allies and neighbors. They don’t rely on hope.
Finnaly we can achieve Wałęsa’s dreams regrading dealing with the Russians
Fuck em up Poland.
We’ve been considering it for 2 years now, more? Just do it
YES!
Unfortunately, there is NO high road to take here. And it sucks.
Good. Enough of this “being the bigger person” bullshit.
Our adversaries don’t follow the treaties so clearly the treaty failed – and hence no reason for it to be followed.
“but our treaties” isn’t that helpful when your neighbor has nukes aimed at you and has been committing war crimes.
Nuclear Poland!
Nuclear anti personnel mines are the way to go
This agreement and similar ones were created under the impression that all conflicting nations would follow the spirit of the Geneva Convention. Countries that signed up genuinely believed that the time of barbaric wars had ended and that we were marching towards a more civilized future.
Thanks to Russia, this dream is gone now.
It may come back or may not. Until then, every nation needs to be prepared for the worst possible outcomes. Leaving that treaty is a good decision. In case of war, the other side won’t retain itself, won’t show mercy or any basic human behavior, but will do anything to destroy you. So yeah, unfortunately, this is what it is
Cluster Munitions, Anti-Personnel Mines Conventions and NPT are good ideas but ONLY IF everyone abides by them. If your potential enemy or enemies doesn’t abide by them, then it’s like bringing only a knife to a gun fight because you signed the “no firearm treaty”.
When Russia has withdrawn from conventions and/or blatantly violates them, what’s use for them?
He’s right. No country with the potential for aggression towards Europe is bound by this nonsense.
Depressing but inevitable. With the growing threats from both Washington and Moscow, Europe must rearm itself at all costs
Poland is taking the saying: “Geneva convention? More like geneva suggestion” to heart
Good. They have a freaking radioactive element named after them.
A smart and unavoidable move. All EU armies should do the same for obvious reasons. Our rational and humanistic approach to everything, including warfare, has hit a brick wall of geopolitical reality. We can’t afford idealism anymore. Poland is approaching this from a logical perspective.
This is survival for Europe.
Good. Finland is also looking into resigning from Ottawa agreement and looking getting the mines back, maybe even before summer (todays headlines). We have already something similar to landmines, more nasty but more expensive. But Ukraine situation has shown that basic landmines still do fantastic job slowing down the attacker. They are not unproblematic, but neither is letting attacker proceed.
The only potential opponent of Poland and the Baltic states in the region is russia, which does not respect any rules and violates all norms of warfare
The biggest victim of the Ukraine war is non-proliferation, and the pussyfooting around against Russias red lines caused it.
Why would anyone not develop nukes if their nuclear neighbours can invade?
what is the source of this news?
I think we need nukes in all the biggest countries in Europe.
So, nuclear proliferation is now cheered?
Guess we are happy that Iran will develop them after all.
World is definitely much better when everyone gets to use them at as low threshold as possible. And to think it hasn’t even been 3 years since Poland had a corrupt as fuck government, and now you want them to have nukes.
I always liked Tusk from his role in the EU. All I can say is “oh fuck, he knows something”
All should be on the table. Putins next target is Romania, Poland, etc. “Oppressed Russians”.
Understandable. The reason so many European and Asian countries did not develop nuclear weapons was became America told the free democratic countries they had their back. Now without that many nations will develop their own. Which now seems like a very good idea. What the US loses is a positive impact on the world stage, good friendly relations that actually enrich US coffers with favorable trade pacts on a global scale.
Don’t consider it, just do it, all of Europe should withdraw from these limiting treaties, it’s not like the ruzzians will adhere to them
Wise move. When it comes to Russia it’s better to keep all options on the table.
Yes, do it! Nuclear reactors too! I love what Macron is doing, but know we all know every country needs its own missilies without remote OFF button.
Equally horrible AND necessary