Il costo dell’aeroporto di Dublino a lungo ritardato Metrolink potrebbe salire a oltre 23 miliardi di euro, ha detto il ministro-The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/transport/2025/03/10/cost-of-long-delayed-metrolink-project-could-rise-to-more-than-23bn-minister-told/
di WickerMan111
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The longer you refuse to build this and all the other decades-overdue infrastructure, the more expensive it will all continue to get. We should have built it ages ago, but now is still far better than decades later again!
We live in such an unserious country it’s actually embarrassing. If my projects at work went this out of scope I would face a firing squad to account for what happened to drive the budget and timelines so out of control
This is like putting off going to the dentist when all you probably needed was a small filling and in the end your delay requires you to spend 10x that cost on a root canal and crown.
Just fucking build it. It will cost 40bn in 10 years
My grand children will live in a half decent country. Maybe.
€23b aka the entire DoT budget for 6 years is a price point where revisiting alternatives comes back into play.
“The briefing states that the “P95 costs” of the completed project should be €23.39 billion, less VAT. P95 means a 95 per cent certainty that the project will be completed on or under that budget.”
So there’s only a 5% chance that the headline comes true. Theres been a 30 pc rise in materials, so the real estimate is about half that. Still a lot but let’s not get misled
Pull the plug never going to happen
If they built this back when the idea was first floated it’d have been a tenth of the cost and would already be paid off, next best time to build it is now, hurry tf up
Ah, another Irish Times hit piece on the proposed Metro.
Explain to me like im 5 how other countries can do this quickly and efficiently while our fuckin asshats in charge cant take a shit without costing the state 50k.
These projects are just a way for politicians buddies to rack up consultancy bills. They talk back and over about these projects and do absolutely nothing. When they actually do something they make such a fuckup of it the costs balloon out of control. Because apparently all that talk they did before hand had nothing to do with the project, and was just consultants meeting up for diner and drinks at the tax payers expense.
And at the end of that day it’s what we deserve, the government keep fucking up and we keep sending them back for another go. Of course they keep screwing us with promises of infrastructure we should have gotten a decade ago.
Is anyone else embarrassed by how bad we are with this stuff? It genuinely boggles my mind
The best comparison project, which isn’t even a great comparison is the Elizabeth line. That cost about £25 billion(€29billion). With most of the cost being in the 42km of tunnels.
So about 690 million for km of tunnel.
The Dublin metro is around 19km, so at thay price, it would be €13.1 billion.
But of course Elizabeth line started construction in 2009, a time of much lower costs, although costs did then spiral.
The comparison for me here is always Porto. A *second* city in a country that well into the 70s was unbelievably impoverished and operating under a military dictatorship.
It also has *incredibly* challenging physical terrain and is half to a third the size of Dublin.
Go to Porto and:
– a) try getting from the airport to the city centre
– b) try getting from *anywhere* in Porto to *anywhere else* in Porto
What you experience may astound you!
The reason none of this works in Ireland is because we’re run by useless cunts.
Yes, there are cost factors. Yes, there are complexities. Yes, none of this is necessarily easy.
But the real reason it doesn’t happen in Dublin is because we’re useless cunts. The fact that it *has* happened in literally *hundreds* of other cities worldwide shows this.
There is *nothing* special about Dublin or Ireland that makes this type of thing uniquely challenging.
It’s simply that we’re run by cunts.
Until that changes, nothing else will.
Call it “The Core” then we can use all that Apple money in escrow to pay for it!
Really hate how it’s called Airport metro by the media all the time. It’s going to serve Swords and everywhere in between, meaning tens of thousands who rely on crappy buses everyday can jump on a metro instead.
Anyway, another hit piece of the Irish media on any public transport projects.
This headline is misleading. The very report states that the chance of metrolink rising to that high a cost is 5%.
Embarrassing country to live in. Deprived of the most basic of things at every turn.
Useless shower.
Why can’t they just run a Luas to the airport? Why does it have to be a metro? For 23 billion you could put a Luas in every large town in Ireland
So what!? It’ll never be cheaper than it is today.
Why don’t we just build a new city around the airport at this point, if we ball park it and say it’d cost one million per resident we could build a town the size of Newbridge or even Naas around the place. This government can’t do anything other than shovel our money into problems can they? To put this into perspective it’s 74 thousand new homes or three billion two hundred fifty million spicebags in my local chinese. They’re a fucking disgrace, they have squandered what could have become a golden age in our history, we could have built for the future, instead we can’t even build for the past. The people who voted in these absolute clowns should feel and be shamed until the day they die.
It’s worth noting that the very report the Irish Times are quoting that the €23bn potential cost is a worst case, one in twenty chance. The actual likely estimate is between €7bn and €12bn, but the Irish Times have an irrational hatred of all things infrastructure so of course they will do rage bait. There is nothing newsworthy in this, we knew the worst-case cost scenario in 2022.
They’ll probably have an opinion piece from Michael McDowell tomorrow pontificating at us on the back of this ‘news’.
Dublin is one of the very few capitals in Europe without metro.
Here is the club:
Dublin – capital of Ireland.
Reykjavik – capital of Iceland.
Ljubljana – capital of Slovenia.
Bratislava – capital of Slovakia.
Zagreb – capital of Croatia.
Sarajevo – capital of Bosnia.
Pristina – capital of Kosovo.
Tirana – capital of Albania.
How much has been spent so far on just arguing about it? People’s time has a value, and every feasibility study, plan and drawing involved paying someone to produce it.
This is actually getting ridiculous now, there is no pursuit of excellence here at all. Lack of infrastructure is going to cost us dearly.
Long delayed is putting it lightly. My old man worked on the initial metro designs nearly 50 years ago. Multiple lines were meant to be built, not one has been started. What happens when we need to build a second line?
“We can basically ask for whatever we want” – people taking our tax money directly into their pockets
I started reading about the California High Speed rail recently, the estimated cost is around $128 billion and planning for that started back in the late 2000’s. Probably around the time the first metro was proposed here. Underground is more expensive but this cost is getting bad. (To count to a billion it will take over a 100 years). I hope the Dublin metro project stays intact and goes through but the fact that the planning is still not granted is kinda a worry along with the increasing cost.
Round it up to 50 shur…….
23 billion, so far. Just wait till BAM start the work..it will be 65 billion by the end.
The real treasure was the money we gouged along the way
Metro link is 18km and clicks cost 23billion, more than 1 billion per km, or 1 million per meter.
Recent London Elizabeth line cost 18billikn GBP, but it was 118km, so over 5x cheaper for the distance.
No red flags there at all
I’ll do it for half that
Put in a Luas for Jaysis’ sake!
It’s almost like certain elements have an incentive to drag these things on for as long as possible so that the cost can get to a point where they can say it is no longer affordable and shelve it altogether.
Just f****** build it oh my god
It’s a matter of significance to the development of the state. Announce it and conscript a developer or combination of them to build it by X for y or associated board level or shareholding stakeholders are barred from working within the state (EU) for a period of no less than 15 years
All jokes aside, the THINGS we have done to the tax payer in this country in the 2000s.. why not the tax pay receiver
Wut
Clown country