Le cariche dell’acqua sono sulla via del ritorno come lo spreco mirato
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water-charges-are-on-the-way-back-as-wastage-targeted/a1649702241.html
di jklynam
Le cariche dell’acqua sono sulla via del ritorno come lo spreco mirato
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water-charges-are-on-the-way-back-as-wastage-targeted/a1649702241.html
di jklynam
31 commenti
Next thing they’ll want to charge us for breathing air
Water infrastructure is a state. It needs fixing. Once the money is directly used to fix it and not just dumped into the big tax pile
> The charges, expected to be capped at €500 per year, will apply to homes using abnormally large amounts of water.
If it stays like that that seems fair?
No. Just no.
Charge the multinationals and IDAs for their massive use, and then you won’t need to bill households stuck with limescale in the supply, low pressure, and contamination issues.
So :
1. Everyone gets a standard allowance of free water, sized in excess of normal usage
2. Beyond that, you get a six month warning to fix leaks and/or reduce usage
3. *After* that, you pay for excess usage
From the stats, over a third of water usage is from just 10% of houses, so by fixing that we could knock almost a third off our water prices and reduce the pressure on treatment facilities.
Clickbait title.
It’s basically a fine for excessive consumption as opposed to people being charged for the water they use.
Once again people will read “Water Charges” and lose their collective minds.
How many other EU countries do/don’t have water charges? And how do their charges compare with those outlined in this article?
Irish water destroyed the water pipes in cork city, the water is regularly unfit for public consumption, it is brown water. We have to run all the traps in the house, sometimes for hours, until it looks clear.
We’ll gladly pay for this “wastage” /s
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We need to stop the excessive usage of water by some people. It’s not usage and its just waste in reality.
So about 580L per house per day.
When designing wastewater infrastructure per population, you basically give everyone about 150 litres a day, to get your dry weather flow and then multply by 3 to get full flow.
So they are basically averaging out every house as just below 4 people, which seems fair.
Ue have done massive works on reducing leakage on the network. And are getting towards the point of diminishing returns on the works. So it’s now time to focus on the household side I suppose.
Keep voting them in and this is what you get
Can’t wait until this gets slowly expanded and we accept it because the next phase isn’t as drastic as it would look if it were brought in at the beginning
We just accept our lot. The amount of times water is out in our area because of a burst pipe is maddening.
Fairly inevitable tbh, but also very prudent thing to do by the government as unpopular as it’ll be. The fact remains, with us severing the ties with the despotic regime across the Atlantic, there is a degree of short-medium term discomfort us Irish will feel as we move our allegiance elsewhere.
Cutting through the rabble rabble rabble about increased taxes, this one actually makes sense. We have an enormous outlay to make every year to keep things like the HSE, IPAS, welfare etc running. That costs about €30bn all in. Money needs to come from somewhere.
It’ll be dressed up as ‘addressing the frailties in the water network’
The one thing that shocked me in the old debates about this was this figure claiming Ireland has very big household water consumption was being thrown around. The metering showed the reality is Irish households are actually quite low around 125-133 L per person per day which is in line with the Netherlands, Germany and Spain and lower than the UK and France.
There was some daft figure being quoted prior to that which was based on guesstimates.
Ireland uses the same appliances as everyone else in Europe and has generally very low flow showers and low pressure taps etc.
High energy costs also tend to mean we don’t run vast amounts of hot water down the drain. People tend to be very conscious of running showers for long times or filling baths
We don’t water lawns (no need) and swimming pools etc are rare.
I don’t really know how most households could reduce further tbh.
Leaky infrastructure was a big part of usage issue, but the Dublin area in particular just hasn’t built enough water infrastructure to cope with the housing being built. It shouldn’t be running short in this climate with very middling / low EU usage figures, but it is.
The infrastructure is just not adequate. Poorly planned and inadequately invested in over the decades.
The issues are on the supply side, not the demand side.
Fuck off with that bs
And cost of living increases as per usual.
If you start paying now then they’ll just start reducing the allowances as time goes on
What about anyone older, or more vulnerable, with an illness etc who might need to use extra water?
Last time this was debated there was no agreement as to how extra allowances would be calculated. Again the article is vague. There are so many medical conditions requiring additional water usage.
Not going to happen.
Edit: I should have read the article first 🤦♂️
Anyway, clickbait title. Also, if Uisce Eireann knows that 10% of households use 35% of the water, why don’t they specifically target those households?
Giving us a set amount of water per day? I’m not for that at all. One more dig in the psych of what we’re used to. How much fear will this put into the minds of the vulnerable around the country, elderly etc. In Cork there is a constant brown water problem, running the tap to clear is sometimes the only solution, what happens in that scenario. No.
It will go like this,
Generous allowance to start so people don’t resist
After a few years some lies about usage and the allowance will fall year on year
As the allowance starts to fall the price for “wastage” will increase
Before you know it your allowance will fill a bath
This has been repeated many times before in many countries.
Nope fuck that, once the precedent is set they will be charging us for every drop.
I pay way too much tax for awful services and insane bike sheds to pay for water.
Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!
Shill’s out in force, pretending the public do not pay for water
Water has always been paid through general taxation but the blueshirt bastards will pretend its free
Step 1: Bring out was seems like a very reasonable and sensible way of reducing water wastage.
Step 2: People start storing water in line with their allocation that they normally wouldn’t have used which increases the usage
Step 3: Point out more water is being wasted than before and use it as an excuse to charge people for every drop of water.
Bonus Step: Slava Ukraine, Fuck Elon, Boo Israel and/or Hamas in order to distract, and don’t forget to claim your expenses.
Irish people actually have relatively low water consumption compared to most western nations. The issue is the amount of leekage and waste from our infrastructure that hasnt been updated since the 1920s and 30s. Its a supply side issue not a a consumer one. Instead of spending more money reinstating water charges, take that money and actually invest in upgrading the century old infrastructure
They’ve had how long to get people to fix leaks. It’s going to charge more to charge people than just sending them a letter saying you have a leak you have 60 days to fix or we half your water pressure.
Really, this again.
Thin end of the wedge.
This is blueshirt cunthawkery.
Corporatist doctrine wants to charge you for everything, even your ‘flaws’. I live and put up with shite weather, most days of the year. The ‘silver lining’ is that we have an abundance of water.
There is absolutely *no* good reason that our water supply can’t be funded through general taxation, given the abundance of the stuff falling from the sky here.
I will never pay extra for water than what’s already paid for in taxes
Remember Leo Varadkar said we’d have a referendum on the ownership of Irish water? Still waiting for that to happen. I’d be a lot happier paying water charges if it were enshrined into law that the ownership wouldn’t go into private hands. Until then they can fuck off.
Surely only Far-Right sympathizers
would be against such a sensible new tax.