L’Europa non può più fidarsi degli Stati Uniti
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/buzz-saw-pine-forest/681984/
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L’Europa non può più fidarsi degli Stati Uniti
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/buzz-saw-pine-forest/681984/
di Party_Judgment5780
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Welcome to the party OP glad you could join us
OP woke up from a 2 month long coma last night cut him some slack
Oh yeah absolutely. In fact for the next four years if not forever atp, the US should be seen as a foreign adversary
Now…about those US military installations and personnel all across Europe
If Internet Explorer were a person:
Trump has burned the relationship, like a cheating spouse. They might still live together, but the trust will never return.
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So ?
So… when do we start calling each other Europeans instead of the countries we’re from? You know… for that extra patriotism( a little /s but seriously)
The funny thing is that France used to serve as a warning to Northern European countries… too complacent, can’t beat work out of them even with a cattle prod, … and now it turns out they were right about everything.
They have a capable ITAR-free jet (Rafale), plenty of nuclear energy, satellite internet company (Eutelsat), etc.
Gotta hand it to them.
These articles are such a nonsensical piece of Russian/Chinese psy ops for further division. Same psy ops responsible for Trump’s presidency and far right/left parties in EU gaining support.
First of all geopolitical security should have never been dependant on 3rd party but that aside if we can not trust US why exactly can we trust each other? Are there no lingering Trump like parties on the rise all over EU? And even more importantly this entire issue comes down to Europeans being bitter that US is pulling out of Ukraine more than anything else. Ask yourself this, how many of you would be willing to send aid to country half a planet away? And before you start to preach moral superiority of how you would absolutely do that we can quite literally look at data that even inside our EU community there are many EU countries that barely send anything and you could quite literally draw correlation function with pretty much perfect correlation with how far away those countries are from Russian threat. It really is not question of morality but necessity. United States positioned half a globe away have to this day provided more aid as share of its GDP than average EU country. Maybe it is time to fix our own problems before burning bridges and preaching morality.
The US can’t trust the US either, join the club.
The European country with the closest political and cultural ties to the US is Britain. Here we look at our cousins across the pond and despair. It is hard to hate an old friend but while the Orange Shitgibbon is in power how can we do otherwise. Also as long as Trump continues to bully Canada and suck up to Putin they are dead to us.
The silver lining is that Trump is pushing us back into the arms of the EU. A block we should never have left. It is a bitter pill to swallow but we Brits need to acknowledge that Charles de Gaul was right all along. The Americans were never to be trusted.
Since they gave away half of Europe to Russia in 1945 ? Then complaint about what Russia is doing for the next 70 years ?
A piece coming from the Atlantic, which for years rubbed the transatlantic aliance as the best thing in the world, is for sure the nail in the coffin.
Europe can’t trust US NOW, and for quite some time.
Yet Europe has to be prepared to help USA to get out of the “fuck-up fascist zone” and re enter from the stratosphere.
A NO to USA now MUST not mean a NO to USA for good. A stable USA is convenient for a stable EU.
USA might want to isolate.
EU should not help USA to isolate for too long.
Well duh, about time you realise that.
It was a big mistake to begin with to relay on single country outside EU zone for its defence.
Not sure what that means. The US doing things Europe doesn’t like isn’t the same as not being trustworthy. The US has more (WAY MORE) than carried its own weight and the weight of NATO for a vast majority of NATO’s history. NATO members weren’t even paying their share (per treaty) of NATO for decades. Decades. Nobody was decrying their violation of trust then. Only when Trump made them pay their agreed share did they step up and pay. That said, Europe is more than capable of solving their own problems without US help (money and military aid). If Europe wants to go to war or give their treasure away, that is their business. It doesn’t mean that America and Americans don’t still love Europe though.
I’m sorry, but as an American, I don’t blame any country, former ally or neighbor to the north or the south for not trusting Americans, while that evil vindictive dictator barks orders and has a Bart worse than his bite everybody hates him well everybody that has common sense anyways the others just love to eat regurgitated diarrhea for lunch breakfast and dinner
“Europe can’t trust the US anymore” Article no. 458. Ok. Do something about it.
Unfortunately, no one can trust the US anymore! Especially the Americans themselves!
OOP forgot to realize that Europe was relying on US for their military, but in return was fully accepting US imperialism. If Europe is militarily independant, there is no absolute for US to use its trading laws and money as the basis for global commerce.
Trump is destroying US effort to keep justification that US should dominate the world, by being the worldwide “peacekeeper” (regarding transactions and exchanges, the rest is totally wrong).
And that monopoly, once destroyed, gonna send US in a very insecure place, because they will have to show muscle to the world to regain their position.
As Putin showed since the Ukraine invasion, his goal was to shake the US hegemony in trade and security, trump (or krasnov) did exactly the right thing to show everybody US is an old lion that still wanna feast but does not offer anything in return.
As a citizen of the US I have never depended upon Europe for anything. They’re liers. Europe said they would help the US with the war on terror and they didn’t come through at all.
They got sick of losing people and money and so they quit. They told the US it was on its own. They they got onto reddit and laughed about it.
3 years in Ukraine wasn’t enough but it was enough for y’all when you were the ones bailing on us. Europe can take care of Ukraine for the next 70 years and that would be fine with me. Good luck with your war.