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    1. Leading_Cow_6434 on

      There is a large cock in the middle of the square,gross.

    2. etre1337 on

      What is the context ?

      I thought the Italian goverment is pro EU even though is far right.

    3. Some context: this is a pro-EU manifestation not directly linked to any major political party. The idea came from a journalist and there was a huge wave of organizations, labour unions and political parties answering, but the line of the manifestation was to not have any flag of political parties. In fact, I just left the square and can tell you that there were almost only European flags, with some peace flags, some Ukrainian flags and some Georgian and Romanian as well.

      It’s important to underline that Italian government is not against EU (mostly). Meloni is what I would describe a moderate pro-EU, trying to keep a balance within EU and Trump (she will fail spectacularly, obviously, so I hope she pivots away from Trump quickly). The other parties in the majority are Lega (Russian puppets, obviously against the manifestation) and Forza Italia (the more europeists, went very close to officially supporting this manifestation, then backed down to avoid tensions in the government). At the end of th day, only some opposition parties supported the manifestation.

      Still, Piazza del Popolo can hold about 60000 people and it was completely full. They had to close the near streets as there were more people trying to come in, eventually the activated a screen nearby to allow those people to watch the speakers. Huge success, I would say, especially considering the way the manifestation was born. I can’t speak for all of Italy, but some of us definitely feel the urgency of the moment.

    4. WebguyCanada on

      America… THIS is what’s called “public engagement”. (*edit)

    5. SlyStocks on

      How can anyone like the EU? Oh right, NGO money to be collected here.

    6. BlueHeartbeat on

      While the event was supposed simply about being pro-Europe, please keep in mind that a lot of people there joined as “pro-peace” at behest of a leftwing populist russophile party that’s been calling for Ukraine to surrender for a while and is firmly against EU’s defense investments. That’s what the “peace” signs are manifesting for.

    7. Yeah unfortunately this is a “pro-peace” anti rearmament protest, where the participants say that any kind of war (even defensive apparently) goes against European values. At best they are well intentioned naive people that want to “give diplomacy a chance” (as if we didn’t do that already so many times) at worst they are the result of Russian propaganda… it’s weird to see pro eu people having their main antagonism directed at von der leyen

    8. Bulawayoland on

      this is embarrassing… Trump is destroying America and we can’t get more than a few thousand to the national mall in DC. I mean, I’m working on it, I haven’t given up by any means, but … people seem a lot more interested in democracy in Europe and Canada than they do in the US

    9. Here’s the opening speech from Michele Serra, the left wing columnist who started the demonstration.

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      We are many. Hooray!

      We are many because we are a people. People is a word that in recent years has been stripped away from democracy and kindness. Yet it is the most democratic of words.

      We are many, and we are different.

      Because a European square can only be a square full of people who, on several matters, do not think the same way. Each of you might be standing next to someone who votes for another party. Or doesn’t vote at all. Who believes in another god, or no god at all. Who loves peace but thinks it should be defended in different ways.

      In a world that seems shattered, a square that unites different people and ideas is a scandal. This scandal has a name. It’s called democracy.

      Democracy isn’t very fashionable in the world today. The world is full of people imprisoned because they don’t think like the tribal chief. Of girls who cannot go to school because they are girls. Of opponents murdered or poisoned, of banned books, of crushed ideas. Of homosexuals and transsexuals persecuted by law. Of slavery at work and in families. Of lives subjected to the dominance of the boss and the whim of the father.

      Here, no. Because we are in Europe.

      And for all the mistakes we’ve made, and for all the injustice and indifference that still oppress the weakest, for the past eighty years we’ve been trying to live in freedom and peace. And the people who flee war, oppression, and hunger to seek refuge here do so because for them, living in peace, living free, and having a full stomach is a great novelty. Not a lazy habit, as we Europeans — spoiled by eighty years of peace and freedom — have resigned ourselves to believe. Let’s wake up, otherwise we’ll end up believing that the only flag we have left to wave is the credit card.

      That is the flag of Trump and his government of billionaires — people convinced that rebuilding Gaza, razed to the ground, is a real estate matter, not a human urgency. Poor them, who with all that money can’t buy anything other than more money.

      Our real enemies are ourselves when we forget how lucky we are. For those crossing the Mediterranean to come here, and for those waving this flag to the East, Europe is not an abstract concept. It’s salvation. Let’s remember this when we push them back into the sea. And let’s remember this when we think that Ukraine’s resistance is just an annoyance preventing us from resting peacefully.

      This flag has waved too little in our parts. It’s hung in offices and outside government buildings; so far, it has been a cold symbol that doesn’t warm hearts. If we thought of bringing it to the square today, it’s because we want to feel European not because of a treaty, not because of a bureaucratic obligation, but because we genuinely believe — stubbornly, even despite reality — in freedom and peace, which are the two mothers of the European project. We all know what the problem is, here and today. Even in this square, there are different ideas about how Europe should protect itself, take care of its values, and its people. The problem is that we all want peace, but peace cannot exist without freedom. No one can feel at peace if they are oppressed, invaded, or subjugated. And we all want freedom, but freedom does not exist without peace. No one is free under bombs or with a gun pointed at them. Nothing suspends human freedom like war.

      War is not only the opposite of peace; it is also the opposite of freedom.

      We have these two precious words in our hands — peace and freedom — but we don’t really know how to hold them without letting them fall to the ground, shattering into pieces, leaving us with nothing but shards.

      This square has no answers, but it has very clear questions. This square is a blue question mark. We are the question we place upon ourselves, upon those who govern us, and those who represent us in the Italian and European parliaments. Anyone who believes they have all the answers in their pocket — who knows how to make war and how to make peace — is not here today.

      To the politicians present in the square, whom I thank deeply, and to those who are not here, whom I respect, I have only one small observation: you are too smart. Please, try to be a little bit dumber — like this square, which hasn’t done the math, which doesn’t know exactly what must be done, but tries to do it anyway. Please, try to talk to each other — and even to listen to each other. We are here today because our solitude and our hopes prevented us from staying home. They pushed us to leave our homes and meet here. Together. I repeat it because it’s the most European of words: together.

      Maybe tonight we will feel a little less confused. Or maybe, even more confused. But for sure, we will feel a little less alone. And that is what politics should be for: to feel less alone.

      Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

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