To be clear, my personal stance is that I want the triple lock abolished.There is no basis for it within the constitution, I actually think the triple lock is borderline unconstitutional and and against many principles that the state was founded on.
“The Irish nation hereby affirms its inalienable, indefeasible, and sovereign right to choose its own form of Government, to determine its relations with other nations, and to develop its life, political, economic and cultural, in accordance with its own genius and traditions.” As in Article 1 of the constitution. The triple lock is directly in conflict with this principle in my interpretation
Shadowbringers on
Abolish the triple lock
Ok_Magazine_3383 on
I think it’s more than possible to be wholeheartedly in favour of maintaining our position of neutrality while also believeing that foreign countries such as Russia shouldn’t have the influence over our position that the triple lock allows them.
After all, other neutral countries don’t have the equivalent of a triple lock. In a lot of ways it’s quite an odd mechanism to insist on.
real_men_use_vba on
> when you get rid of that mandate you allow the government of the day to decide which deployment of troops you want to be involved in
Can a triple lock supporter tell me if this is really their main argument?
Or is it that it makes it harder for the EU to strong-arm us into deploying troops but it would be undiplomatic to make that argument in public?
drumnadrough on
UN is a house of cards, absolute joke shop.
earth-calling-karma on
Let’s get DeValera back it was his idea.
21stCenturyVole on
Most of the people backing increased militarization think it’s fine to send military forces into a war against Russia so long as you label it a ‘peacekeeping’ force – even when it has no UN backing as a peacekeeping force, leaving little difference between them and e.g. Russian ‘peacekeepers’ i.e. occupiers in Transnistria.
That _alone_ is a fantastic argument for keeping the Triple Lock, because the warmongers here (who will insist what they are proposing is ‘defensive’ even when it escalates a war) absolutely want to bypass UN safeguards, to disguise offensive military operations as ‘peacekeeping’ operations.
Every single additional stage/’lock’ against Ireland stripping away neutrality must be kept – as it is becoming increasingly clear from the narratives that people are following, _that they believe a direct NATO vs Russia conflict is desirable_, and they are arguing vociferously that this _won’t_ escalate to a nuclear war – which is complete insanity, going against everything the Cold War taught humanity…
death_tech on
You can, and should speak about neutrality, the triple lock and pacifism separately and individually… because they don’t really relate to each other at all. This crowd are gormless idiots.
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But the triple lock has nothing to do with neutrality.
https://preview.redd.it/nv6d2xm2joqe1.jpeg?width=412&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30c32dedf318a5bfa1c5de2a738c7a66d54e9a8d
To be clear, my personal stance is that I want the triple lock abolished.There is no basis for it within the constitution, I actually think the triple lock is borderline unconstitutional and and against many principles that the state was founded on.
“The Irish nation hereby affirms its inalienable, indefeasible, and sovereign right to choose its own form of Government, to determine its relations with other nations, and to develop its life, political, economic and cultural, in accordance with its own genius and traditions.” As in Article 1 of the constitution. The triple lock is directly in conflict with this principle in my interpretation
Abolish the triple lock
I think it’s more than possible to be wholeheartedly in favour of maintaining our position of neutrality while also believeing that foreign countries such as Russia shouldn’t have the influence over our position that the triple lock allows them.
After all, other neutral countries don’t have the equivalent of a triple lock. In a lot of ways it’s quite an odd mechanism to insist on.
> when you get rid of that mandate you allow the government of the day to decide which deployment of troops you want to be involved in
Can a triple lock supporter tell me if this is really their main argument?
Or is it that it makes it harder for the EU to strong-arm us into deploying troops but it would be undiplomatic to make that argument in public?
UN is a house of cards, absolute joke shop.
Let’s get DeValera back it was his idea.
Most of the people backing increased militarization think it’s fine to send military forces into a war against Russia so long as you label it a ‘peacekeeping’ force – even when it has no UN backing as a peacekeeping force, leaving little difference between them and e.g. Russian ‘peacekeepers’ i.e. occupiers in Transnistria.
That _alone_ is a fantastic argument for keeping the Triple Lock, because the warmongers here (who will insist what they are proposing is ‘defensive’ even when it escalates a war) absolutely want to bypass UN safeguards, to disguise offensive military operations as ‘peacekeeping’ operations.
Every single additional stage/’lock’ against Ireland stripping away neutrality must be kept – as it is becoming increasingly clear from the narratives that people are following, _that they believe a direct NATO vs Russia conflict is desirable_, and they are arguing vociferously that this _won’t_ escalate to a nuclear war – which is complete insanity, going against everything the Cold War taught humanity…
You can, and should speak about neutrality, the triple lock and pacifism separately and individually… because they don’t really relate to each other at all. This crowd are gormless idiots.