Boss di AI tedesco: “muro di droni” sul fianco orientale della NATO possibile in un anno
https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-ai-boss-drone-wall-092424016.html
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Boss di AI tedesco: “muro di droni” sul fianco orientale della NATO possibile in un anno
https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-ai-boss-drone-wall-092424016.html
di treebeard87_vn
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>German defence company Helsing is calling for the swift establishment of an effective conventional deterrent on NATO’s eastern flank using new types of combat drones.
>”A drone wall could be erected within a year. You also need reconnaissance systems, satellites and probably reconnaissance drones,” Gundbert Scherf, co-founder and co-chief executive of the Munich-based enterprise, told dpa on Sunday.
>However, Scherf believes the entire concept of modern-day defence would first need a major rethink.
>”At the moment, the debate is still like the Cold War,” he argued. “We’re counting armoured systems, aircraft and ships on the other side and seeing if we can somehow get close to parity with a lot of money. And I think that’s the wrong way round.”
>Helsing specializes in the application of artificial intelligence (AI) for the defence industry.
>It has developed the HX-2 drone – initially for use in Ukraine – which employs AI to guide explosive charges to a target and is less susceptible to electronic interference.
>The company has established a partnership with French space start-up Loft Orbital to monitor borders and troop movements using reconnaissance satellites.
>With the Swedish manufacturer Saab, preparations are being made to install an AI application for air combat in the Gripen fighter jet.
>Helsing also plans to present an autonomous system for use at sea soon.
This seems to be support for Lithuania’s call for an immediate drone wall on the eastern flank, to which the German leadership says that they want to wait a bit until the technology matures.
[https://www.merkur.de/politik/drohnenwall-gegen-putin-industrie-will-geld-statt-flakpanzer-93643335.html](https://www.merkur.de/politik/drohnenwall-gegen-putin-industrie-will-geld-statt-flakpanzer-93643335.html)
If one of these HX-2 drones costs 2000€, as estimates suggest, we could buy 4 million such drones and spend roughly as much as we intend to spend on the F35 (€8 Billion)
The only thing I insist on is for the official procedure for activating the drones to be that whoever is in charge in such a situation has to use the phrase “Release the swarm”.
Fuck Ted Faro!
Drone swarms are a very, very scary thing. I hate that we need them, I hate that people will soon have to face them.
The videos of the Ukraine war are just a forshadowing. Look at this video from the CCP if you want to see it to its (current) full potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PZWxm1MlvM
Good. Let’s also get one on the western flank.
(Reads: Greenland)
I knew it would be fucking Helsing.
Every time I see a new “tech leader” pontificating online, it’s always “drones” and it’s always some fantastical application that ignores fundamental operational limitations.
It’s dumb. Stop trying to sell us shit and tell us it’s good, and quit shoehorning “AI” into every conceivable product simply to suck ever more VC money out of banks.
UCAV, FPV, MALE, autonomous seekers; yes, they absolutely do have a role in modern warfare, that’s unequivocal.
But what if a Russian motor rifle battalion rolls across the border when it’s low cloud, foggy and/or high rain or wind…?
Drones _augment_ conventional power. They do not replace.
Can we extend that to Ukraine or will we keep bowing down to the Russian bear cub?
We do not need build drones, they outdated quickly. We need to build drone factories, which can output 50.000 drones a day.
The ability to immediately mass produce attack and surveillance drones will be vital
A wise move. Britain is doing something similar with a naval drone army.
I dont know I might be crazy but as somebody who follows the war closely, sometimes I feel like europeans aren’t learning from this war as much as they should. As cruise missile drone hybrid is great, but you 100% need to develop cheap, accessible, maintainable and easy to fix drop and FPV drones. Right now both, with drop drones leading are the main weapon on the battlefield and both sides have gotten pretty good at it. Do european and NATO armies even properly train on the use of both? Do they know how to make cheap optic fiber drones? Do they train on using ground drones for support abd resupply? I honestly don’t hear and see that much of it and it bothers me.
There is talk of converting the NedCar car factory in the southern part of the Netherlands to a drone manufacturing plant.
Don’t forget to extend it to Greenland!
And still we will get compromized trough social media and other factors where right wing candidates are pushed as a means for divde and conquer tactics.
Who is AI boss?
Talk like this makes me feel safer tbh
Make it so! (Including Ukraine 🇺🇦)
yeaaah pump those fundings in true Elons fashion
“CEO of company with vested financial interest markets their own product by saying you should buy a lot of them”, more evening news at 23 o clock.
“Schwarmflotte Leviathan steht bereit!”
I know drones are extremely important in Ukraine, I just don’t understand why 😛 It seems like even hundred year old AA systems should take them down trivialy, especially combined with modern automated aiming. What is it I am not seeing?
I think people have over learned the lessons of the Ukraine war – and by that I mean that people have been led to believe by the volume of drone videos coming out of Ukraine that 1) drones are the primary weapon of war, and that 2) all warfare is going to be as static as it is in Ukraine. Firstly, even though we get all of the drone videos out of Ukraine, the bulk of casualties are stilled caused by artillery. Secondly, drones (as weapons) will be less useful during maneuver warfare than it has been during the static fighting in Ukraine.
Drones (and there are many different types, to serve different purposes) can’t deal with the same mass that artillery can. One of the biggest adjustments that Russia has had to make is to stop the large assaults – basically every type of 155mm howitzer that Ukraine has in inventory is highly accurate, and a large scale assault will draw a large response from highly accurate artillery. Each artillery tube can fire several times a minute, whereas a drone, travelling at 30 mph might take 15 minutes just to reach the target area from the control location. The smaller assaults that Russia has been engaging in to work around the problem of extremely accurate 155mm artillery are almost ideal for the strengths of drones to deal with. Responding to the smaller assaults doesn’t require the same amount of mass, and the added precision is more useful. Drones as weapons provide substantially less actual firepower than artillery does, although drones have the benefit that they can be used much closer to friendly forces than artillery can.
Drones as ISR tools that can be shoehorned into every unit down to the platoon and even squad level – *that* is an absolute game changer, and also where drones will be extremely useful during maneuver warfare (maybe even *more* useful), but as primary weapons, probably less so. The types of drones meant to be weapons are generally slow (30-50mph or less) and have to be controlled by someone, which means the people flying the drones are going to fall behind the lead elements of any major maneuvering force. Maybe they’ll rig up standard shipping containers with the control equipment needed as basically small, mobile offices which can be moving just behind lead elements.
“[200k units are ready with with a million more well on their way.](https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Star-Wars-Attack-of-the-Clones-Obi-Wan-Kaminoan.jpg?q=70&fit=crop&w=1140&h=&dpr=1)
AI drone swarms can think collectively, you will find they are immensely superior to FPV drones. We take great pride in our machine learning and autonomous targeting. This batch was manufactured about 2 months ago.”
“You mentioned machine learning…”
“Oh yes, it’s essential! Otherwise a drone swarm would take a whole *division* to pilot. Now we just buy a bunch of GPUs to train them. They are *totally* autonomous, executing *any* attack plan without human intervention. We modified their code architecture to make them more independent than their FPV counterparts.”
“And who was the original programmer?”
“A German dude called ‘***AI-Boss***’.”
Iron Curtain 2 – This time it flies!
Drone manufacturer wants to produce more drones. Colour me surprised…
When will we have walls around the US? Because that ~~may~~ **will** be necessary soon.