Prendi sul serio Trump sulla Groenlandia
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/trump-greenland-ally-war/682306/?gift=Kkhtywr0q1NwgNCk5PLISo3o3EJOub44H7somn-3Dvc&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
di Dunkleosteus666
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The Trump administration took the Madman theory to the next level.
You cannot apply any logic to his actions, and he does not seem to care for diplomancy, international conventions or even law.
It’s just ragebait tbh
It’s difficult to take the orangutan seriously in anything
I don’t know why Trump isn’t taken seriously on everything, he is the president of the most powerful country with the biggest nuclear arsenal, not my grandpa with dementia.
I think everyone sane is taking this situation as serious as we can.
But it’s up to our top politicians how will they let Putin run the world. – yes even Trump does what Putin wants, not vice versa so far.
But what we suppose to do? Go mobilize in Greenland? Go take care of Trump?
Americans should fix this shitshow, but seems America has only kings and Olligarchs pulling the strings from now on.
Only hope from this shitshow is, that this brings EU and other side of the world even more closer, than war in Ukraine did.
10,000 points off the Dow Jones on the day this happens. Assuming there is 10,000 left by then of course……
I hate to ask but what happened to Canada? Trump was going full blast on taking Canada but then all of a sudden he hard switched to Greenland
He lives in a lie that he created himself, and what’s more fun, he believes it. In a lie that the world needs the US, but the US doesn’t need the world.
I feel sorry for the smart Americans, for real. With such a development of affairs, there will be a migration to Europe of educated and higher classes, as was the case in Germany in the 1930s. There will be those who cannot afford to emigrate or are stupid enough to support the current development of US policy, which will only fuel their imperial aspirations.
The madman’s theory never proved effective, Nixon, Hussein, Gaddafi. The only thing that is crazy is not learning from the mistakes of others.
Of course because that creepy weirdo Peter Thiel wants to use Greenland for his bullshit weirdo freedom cities bullshit.
So, what Europe will do in this case ? Countries will start to leave NATO ? Go to war with USA ? Terminate deals with USA? Or it will be limited to strong worded letter?”
It would start a hot war with the EU who would defend Greenland…. So no reason to take him serious because it’s the end of Western civilization if he does it anyways
I figured on the gross interpretation of the basing treaties. He’ll use that to take half of Greenland and then apply pressure from there. Legal in an insane type of way. No shots fired. That’s exactly right.
Ronald Reagan in Oct 1983, without the approval of the US Congress, invaded the Caribbean of Grenada to force regime change.
Approval of the US Congress is not required, Trump could do the same.
Make Greenland part of Europe, end of story. Become independent and export minerals to Europe.
The United States grabbing land from an ally sounds like the stuff of a Netflix [political thriller](https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2025/01/the-paranoid-thriller-that-foretold-trumps-foreign-policy/681430/). But every American should contemplate three realities about Donald Trump’s aggressive desire to acquire Greenland, a semiautonomous Danish territory. First, unlike his usual shtick, in which he floats wild ideas and then he and his aides alternate between saying he was serious and saying he might have been joking, he means it. The Danes seem to [believe](https://www.npr.org/2025/04/02/nx-s1-5348817/greenland-trump-danish-prime-minister) him, and so should Americans. When institutions begin planning based on the president’s directions, as the White House is [now](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/01/trump-greenland-us-territory-cost/) doing, it’s no longer idle talk.
Second, Trump is calling for actions that likely contravene American and international law. He is undermining the peace and stability of an allied nation, while threatening a campaign of territorial conquest. He refuses to rule out an unprovoked war of aggression, a violation of the [United Nations Charter](https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-1) and an international crime that would be little different in kind from Russian President Vladimir Putin’s [attempt](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/can-russia-be-held-accountable-for-the-crime-of-aggression-in-ukraine/) to seize Ukraine. Finally, the almost-certain illegality of any attempt to seize Greenland against the will of its people and the Danish government means that if Trump directs the U.S. military to engage in such an operation, he could well precipitate the greatest civil-military crisis in American history since the Civil War.
How do we know Trump is serious? “One way or another,” the president [crowed](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/05/trump-turns-congress-speech-into-a-sordid-campaign-rally-igniting-a-democrat-fightback) in his speech to a Joint Session of Congress last month, “we’re gonna get it.” A few weeks later, in case anyone missed the point, Trump [told](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-couldnt-care-less-automakers-raise-prices-tariffs-rcna198731) NBC: “We’ll get Greenland. Yeah, 100 percent.” Trump says a lot of strange things, certainly. He has [mused](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report) about striking hurricanes with nuclear weapons, running for a constitutionally prohibited [third term](https://www.wsj.com/politics/trump-attorney-studied-options-for-third-presidential-term-3ad46b43), staying in office [even if he loses](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/what-if-he-wont-go/606259/), and [annexing](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html) Canada as the 51st state. But when a president publicly makes a vow to Congress to do something and then repeats that vow over and over, such statements are not trial balloons; they are policy.
no guys, it’s all hot air. just hot air guys. just a little joke
I just saw that the agreement on US bases on Danish soil (Greenland) no longer includes a ban on nuclear bombs or missiles. That has been a pretty hard ban until now. That might be what this was all about. I would not be surprised if he stops claiming Greenland now.
The European leaders can’t take Trump seriously. If they did, they’d need to disband NATO or ask the American troops to leave the NATO bases in Europe. And while they might be worried, a few Eastern countries continue to think that the US is more reliable than France, Germany or the other EU countries.
It looks like it’s coming. Any minute now, American military personnel are going to have to choose between attacking an ally and refusing a direct order. Could get interesting.
Uh-oh, Hegseth be drunk texting the Atlantic again….
We would if we believed Trump had anything to do with it.
Instead it’s all a front for Peter Thiel LARPing BioShock.
Conservative here from the US. I think Trump will get what he wants with the tariffs. But I disagree the with the way he’s going about it.
I don’t like him bullying Canada, and Mexico.
Greenland, as long as it’s put to a vote I’m good with that. Military action is unethical, criminal, and wrong. My personal opinion is he’s not going to use military force.
Europe, I think trade was lopsided before. I think we were contributing more based on the size of our economy. That’s what the European Union does right? The smaller economies contribute on a percentage basis? The problem with the US being involved is that the majority of the population doesn’t align with Europes culture. We often look to Europe to see what direction our government is heading. There’s a lot of news stories about people serving jail time for posting on Facebook. Stories about immigration that say there’s two sets of laws, one for nationals, and one for immigrants etc…. I know that everyone on this thread is going to disagree, but that’s just my opinion.
He’s not going to withdraw from NATO. For one, congress would never vote for that. Also he’s said time and time again that he supports NATO. He just wants all the participants to contribute at least 2% of gdp. 5% being the ultimate goal. I think looking the US to contribute most of the defense of Europe is bad for you. You should have a bigger military force for defense.
Backstabbing traitors !!!! 🇺🇸=💩
Th US Base is already there
Greenland is used as a distraction every time the American government fucks up. That alone should be a sting signal that it’s bullshit.
A man who is notorious for swaying all kinds of bullshit all the time should suddenly be taken serious about something as stupid as this?
And I should say that I actually live in Denmark.
Canada will be boxed in also, US,Alaska Russia to the left. Now US to the right with Greenland and Russia above. Not looking good for the Canadians
Trump and his cronies do not have the respect of the US Military needed to abruptly invade an ally, and no one, not even all the neonazis and Meal Team 6ers you see frequent memes of, is going to sign up for a volunteer military under the moronic Hegseth, who drunkenly refuses to step down even thought his weak incompetence is clear to the entire world.
The moment this happens, every american export will be blocked worldwide, except maybe Russia, the Americans will start revolting and the army will be needed to shoot people in the street, this would be, effectively, the death of the entirety of the USA. Unemployment would be massive, they would have to shoot and kill danish and Greenlanders and I still remember how people were protesting for the civilian casualties in Iraq. This would absolutely break the country to a level of magnitude worse than Vietnam. Also, they need 2/3 majority to attack an allied country so this is off the table.
This is why those in greenland should study the tactics of ukraine and vietnam to really know how to either win a war or make victory pyhric.
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I am curious what would happen in case suddenly main government buildings would be taken over by some soldiers from american base from Greenland, leaders detained and to declare island part of USA. What would be the answer from Denmark, EU and world?