I briefing rivelano la scelta dell’UE tra Stati Uniti e Cina
http://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/04/15/briefings-suggest-eu-faces-choice-between-us-and-china/
di Dazzling_Lobster3656
I briefing rivelano la scelta dell’UE tra Stati Uniti e Cina
http://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/04/15/briefings-suggest-eu-faces-choice-between-us-and-china/
di Dazzling_Lobster3656
28 commenti
We’d prefer China
This is not easy choice. China is factory of the world. So we facing problem of being decoupled from that factory (and very large market). On the other hand, we are going to be flooded with Chinese produce. We simply cannot compete. This is not the case with US.
Chinese leaders are also not better then Trump team in any way.
I’m not saying we should choose China. I’m just saying if your partner asks you to choose between them and another person: it’s usually already over either way.
>They suggest that the overall US strategy is to decouple from China, and that any country who wishes to have a trade deal with the US will also have to distance itself from Beijing.
>The briefings suggest that the US is willing to consider a trade deal with the EU on these terms – but it would also want the EU to limit or discontinue non-tariff barriers to trade, potentially including stringent EU product standards, including some food standards.
I dont see a reason to not trade with USA, but if their plan is to use mafia level tactics, and giving other countries ultimatums about who they can trade with or not, or force countries to lower food standards just so they can flood the market with unsafe/bad food, then fuck you.
Would rather live in cave, than to live in some kind of vassal colony tbh
The important thing is to do nothing. Make no forced choices. Make no response. Trump will be schooled by the markets and we don’t have to do anything except stay cool and laugh when he u-turns.
Even the base 10% tariff for every one will eventually be punched full of holes by exceptions and work arounds.
We should work with china to make this happen faster..but the idea of “choosing China” is as ridiculous as “choosing America”. It’s a forced choice thought up by a declared enemy of the EU. We make our own choices here.
It would be better to choose neither, focus on building and strengthening Europe’s position and engage very much cautiously and transactionally where we have to until things eventually stabilise and a new status quo emerges.
The US is just no longer trustworthy, and is being very aggressive and driving weird ideological agendas and undermining everything that is supposedly once stood for. China has no interest in democracy or the freedoms that post WWII Europe has been built on, so I’m not really sure this is a choice. It’s more of a false dichotomy.
It’s clear that the US is in this for themselves, if/when Europe requires anything from the US, we’ll be asked to kindly piss of, most likely in a non-kindly way.
China is, for better or worse a more predictable country, and when we’re talking human right, keeps in mind that the US still kills it’s civilians, and will be shipping them to a dictatorship anytime soon.
We should become self-sufficent as a united Europe and when Trump is gone create an alliance with Usa in which, this tieme, we are equal. We have to contrast China, making a totalitarian state the world’s leading power is dangerous.
If it has to be a choice, always choose the one who isn’t threatening.
I mean, at this point…
Trade is trade, we do trade deal with China and if the US don’t want one then no one can force them. They will loose more than EU.
Both options are so flawed, to say the least.
China the lesser evil. US has been taken over by a cabal of religious nutjobs and technofascists. With China there is business to be done.
We should keep things in balance (like all things should be :p). – Like seriously, we have to build relationships with every region on Earth. Chosing one main part will always lead to problems like we see now.
choose neither . F*K U, BOTH.
I would choose China only for Trump’s statements on Ukraine. Also, China has only economic interests, it would never blackmail or try to threaten countries to cancel their internal laws and persecute women and minorities.
I’ll be real here for a minute but China isn’t really the big bad bogeyman that the west always makes it out to be and in terms of fucked up shit they have done and are still doing, they aren’t really any worse then the US either.
The real reason why the EU is so hesitant to cozy up to China is because they would be undermining our capitalistic powers.
China runs a command economy.
They either directly or indirectly control all major companies and their funding.
They pick and heavily subsidise any industry and sector they deem useful to dominate the market.
If a CEO steps out of line, they get disappeared for a week or two and come back with a reignited fervour for the government’s agenda.
If they were to become our biggest trading partner, we’d have to adopt a similar system or we’d be unable to compete.
No more profit seeking, no more maximising payouts for c-suites, higher taxes on corporations so the government can redistribute the money where it’s needed to compete.
And we obviously can’t have any of that, that would be very very bad (for the 1%).
And unlike the west under capitalism, China has actually taken the money that flooded in from becoming the manufacturing hub of the world and invested it into making people’s life better. They do fund a lot of social programs, heavily promote education, build infrastructure, expand their railroad and public transport systems even into remote parts of China.
Remember all those futuristic looking ghost towns and cities that western media has made fun of a decade ago? They are all inhabited and buzzling with life now.
China was all stick in the beginning to get their industry started, then turned to carrot and stick and now the carrot is so big that the stick has become invisible.
I’m not saying we should copy China and become their best friend, but there is undoubtedly a lot we could learn from them and how they do things.
Is there a choice to make? US president, his VP and some other senior officials made it clear that for them EU is more of an enemy than a friend.
Now EU should decide if they are open to trade more with China on certain areas or if they don’t want to do that because US doesn’t want them to.
China needs a new export market in the meantime, and the elephant in the room that I have not seen addressed is what the EU will do when the Chinese obviously turn towards their markets for dumping
Despite all the tiktok/twitter meme propaganda, China is in a terrible place economically. After having multiple large property developers go bankrupt, they’ve put trillions in stimulus into their economy over the last couple of years to no avail. They’re in a heavy deflation cycle and only started recently trying to stimulate demand. But there has been no end in sight
We can rightly see the US stock market correcting, but If the US was doing the things in the market that the Chinese were already doing, we’d say they were crashing. Things like the government restricting short selling, the government directing agencies to buy stocks, cutting reserve rates etc. these are not things someone does when financially healthy
They have a giant supply glut and it’s coming to a market near you
Just today, Bessent was talking in a Bloomberg interview about his expectation that the EU will throw their own tariffs on China, independently, to shield their markets from the incoming dump
(I saw in OP’s article that Lutnick was the one people were talking to – please don’t do that; him and Navarro are terrible)
Europeans might not like it right now, but I bet there’s some sort ‘agreement’ worked out between the US and EU where the EU throws on the tariffs that they were going to anyways to shield from Chinese dumping, the US claims victory to save their butts, and the tariffs get dropped between the two on industrial goods
Only siths deal in absolutes
Yet China provides military aid to the Russian imperial army. Talk about a rock and a hard place.
I was playing a city builder and I had 2 major trading partners. They were at war with each other and they both threatened me to stop trading with the other.
I ignored them both. I’ll trade with them both until one of them stops the trade treaty.
It made me think of real world… how sad.
If one of them breaks, I’m going to attack them and take their land, or start an alliance with the other. Or both.
The game is Songs of Syx, btw. Exceptional game.
China please.
Neither one for me. Lets choose Europe.
I think the choice was made for us 🙁
No the choice is between servitude and freedom, that’s the real choice. We don’t need to choose between China and America.
There’s no reason to switch from one abusive sugar daddy to another. Just leave.
The perfect solution would be none but we both know it’s not possible.
You can give a lot of shits to China for whatever policy they have, but we’re not the world police. Whatever happens in China is in China. And let’s not pretend that, morally speaking, the US is any better.
So between a backstabbing ally and a country that is rather neutral, i know what i’d pick.