No, and it probably never will be. We need an airforce to take out missile sites and such in an eventual war.
TaxNervous on
The russian air force has ceased to fly over ukraine fronts for almost three years now to avoid losing airframes and crews against AA, that’s why they rely almost only on drones and whatever missiles can scrounge, they have zero chances against a modern well integrated aa network, if they manage to go near it without getting intercepted first.
About their missiles, if they could target something smaller than a whole city block the ukrainian air force would be non-existant since the second day of the invasion, they spent like 200 missiles just to try to disable the air force and anti air defences and failed miserably.
hmtk1976 on
I see Arrow 3 mentioned. Do we want to rely on Israeli as well as US tech?
BlueKolibri23 on
The Russian cant even control Ukraine fully.
So yes – if we increase our air defence lines from the east to the middle sea. It will difficult for Russian threats
Artistic-South-7319 on
Yes we can, but attacks need to be scheduled after 8 am as we like to sleep in.
shadowfax12221 on
Europe can field more men from its professional armies alone than russia has military aged males available for conscription.
asexyshaytan on
Yes lol. Their airforce is non existent
Dietmeister on
I don’t think air defence is up to the task of modern war. Missiles and drones have gotten too numerous and too advanced and also too cheap to ward off completely. Offensive long range attacks are the real deterrent.
Luckily Russia is never able to do significant damage to all cities in Europe all at once
tree_boom on
Currently? No, absolutely not. We have good air defences, but we absolutely do not have **enough** air defences. The situation changes from country to country, with some nations (particularly the UK, which has virtually no air defences at all) being worse than others.
The need to change this has certainly been recognised, with programs like ESSI kicking off to procure more equipment, but as far as I’m aware nobody has even actually placed orders under that program yet.
Note that the threat is not so much the Russian Air Force, which can be countered with our own, but rather long-range autonomous missile strikes.
Careless-Pin-2852 on
No so you must beat Russia in Ukraine. Sorry my team lost the US election.
olaysizdagilmayin on
Even if Russia is capable of fighting Europe, a war with EU, or any individual EU member, is almost impossible and may lead Russia’s end as a civilisation (while crippling EU civilisation). Ukraine was a really weak target for Russia, economically weak, no allies, no decent army equipments, nor a stable free political history (until Zelensky it was too corrupt). And Russia was claming it will take a week to conquer Ukraine, and imho they really believed that (like USA in Iraq). But they couldn’t foresee the effects of Ukraine’s national concious and fight for survival, which is even stronger in many EU countries. Therefore, a United EU front would be too big to chew for Russians and even if it wins, it would be easy target from the east. Besides there is not much interest in Europe for Russia too. There is no easy natural resources (unlike Kazakhstan or other central Asian countries) or previous Russian influence to hold there. So it is almost impossible scenerio and EU’s fearmongering is really unnecessary.
However, I think the real threat is rise of pro-Russian alt-right and internet/troll manipulations of populations. And I believe the push from Trump for easing some EU rules/regulations is about opening this path.
Whenwasthisalright on
If they could, why are they so worried?
WerdinDruid on
Czech one can’t for sure.
Filias9 on
Sitting and waiting for all that missiles and drones? No. Actively eliminating missile and drone threats? Yes.
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No, and it probably never will be. We need an airforce to take out missile sites and such in an eventual war.
The russian air force has ceased to fly over ukraine fronts for almost three years now to avoid losing airframes and crews against AA, that’s why they rely almost only on drones and whatever missiles can scrounge, they have zero chances against a modern well integrated aa network, if they manage to go near it without getting intercepted first.
About their missiles, if they could target something smaller than a whole city block the ukrainian air force would be non-existant since the second day of the invasion, they spent like 200 missiles just to try to disable the air force and anti air defences and failed miserably.
I see Arrow 3 mentioned. Do we want to rely on Israeli as well as US tech?
The Russian cant even control Ukraine fully.
So yes – if we increase our air defence lines from the east to the middle sea. It will difficult for Russian threats
Yes we can, but attacks need to be scheduled after 8 am as we like to sleep in.
Europe can field more men from its professional armies alone than russia has military aged males available for conscription.
Yes lol. Their airforce is non existent
I don’t think air defence is up to the task of modern war. Missiles and drones have gotten too numerous and too advanced and also too cheap to ward off completely. Offensive long range attacks are the real deterrent.
Luckily Russia is never able to do significant damage to all cities in Europe all at once
Currently? No, absolutely not. We have good air defences, but we absolutely do not have **enough** air defences. The situation changes from country to country, with some nations (particularly the UK, which has virtually no air defences at all) being worse than others.
The need to change this has certainly been recognised, with programs like ESSI kicking off to procure more equipment, but as far as I’m aware nobody has even actually placed orders under that program yet.
Note that the threat is not so much the Russian Air Force, which can be countered with our own, but rather long-range autonomous missile strikes.
No so you must beat Russia in Ukraine. Sorry my team lost the US election.
Even if Russia is capable of fighting Europe, a war with EU, or any individual EU member, is almost impossible and may lead Russia’s end as a civilisation (while crippling EU civilisation). Ukraine was a really weak target for Russia, economically weak, no allies, no decent army equipments, nor a stable free political history (until Zelensky it was too corrupt). And Russia was claming it will take a week to conquer Ukraine, and imho they really believed that (like USA in Iraq). But they couldn’t foresee the effects of Ukraine’s national concious and fight for survival, which is even stronger in many EU countries. Therefore, a United EU front would be too big to chew for Russians and even if it wins, it would be easy target from the east. Besides there is not much interest in Europe for Russia too. There is no easy natural resources (unlike Kazakhstan or other central Asian countries) or previous Russian influence to hold there. So it is almost impossible scenerio and EU’s fearmongering is really unnecessary.
However, I think the real threat is rise of pro-Russian alt-right and internet/troll manipulations of populations. And I believe the push from Trump for easing some EU rules/regulations is about opening this path.
If they could, why are they so worried?
Czech one can’t for sure.
Sitting and waiting for all that missiles and drones? No. Actively eliminating missile and drone threats? Yes.