Tassi di detenzione: i cittadini nati all’estero sono sottorappresentati nell’anglosfera ma sovrarappresentati in Europa
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Tassi di detenzione: i cittadini nati all’estero sono sottorappresentati nell’anglosfera ma sovrarappresentati in Europa
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Source: [Financial Times: The Anglosphere has an advantage on immigration](https://www.ft.com/content/c6bb7307-484c-4076-a0f3-fc2aeb0b6112)
One of the most interesting phenomenon’s between the English-speaking world vs Europe is their immigration patterns. In the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland, foreigners are all under-represented among each countries’ prison populations relative to their total foreign born populations. However, for mainland Europe, it is the complete opposite with prisons in countries like Switzerland, Greece, and Austria being majority foreign-born.
The plausible explanation is that the Anglophones are more likely to commit crimes vs non-Anglophone Europeans.
I’m sure it’s the same in Iceland, being an island helps.
this is because a man with pakistani heritage (for example) born in the uk is not considered foreign, and because immigration in the uk is not really that recent like most other european countries
r/chartswithoutpoland
because migration trends in europe from zones outside EU are recent but in the anglosphere it’s been going on for generations and most are not foreign born anymore
Could it be linked to social protection ?
Like, in countries with a high level of social protection, natives have lower chances to fall into criminalty for necessity, while non citizen foreign born may be excluded from some of thoses social protection.
Meaningwhile, in countries with a low level of social protection, natives also have higher chances to need to break the law for subsistence ?
What’s crazy here is that a good portion of the native-born prison population might have a foreign background anyway.
Well, since Brexit you don’t have to worry about EU foreign-borns screwing up your statistics.
Putin is proud of you, comrade!
Interesting, I didn’t realise there was this many experts on incarceration rates of foreigners on reddit
This is garbage, generalizing the whole continental Europe, while ignoring a large part of it.
That’s how stats work.
They are not underrepresented if their incarceration rate is lower than the locals’, they are underrepresented if their incarceration rate is lower than their share in the total population.
An elephant in the room for this is culture/economy; Latin-Americans; especially those coming from Mexico, readily integrate into American /Canadian Society, have high workforce participation rates etc. Likewise for Indians migrating to Australia/NZ/U.K.
Esas cifras en UK no consideran el origen de los actuales habitantes
To the surprise of literally no one.
I suspect it’s because the anglosphere countries have so many immigrants by now, or are even historically immigrant-countries, that new immigrants can quickly find their version of “China-Town” and get settled there and carry on their way of life there.
Where as mainland European countries have historically allowed fewer immigrants and new immigrants will therefore not be able to find anywhere near as large community-groups to settle down in. Far more of them find themselves forced to adapt to the predominant culture or feel ostracized in which case many young men join criminal gangs.
This makes Swedens results make sense. They have so many recent immigrants by now, that there are some substantial groups for these people to settle down in, rather than integrate fully into Swedish culture. Making it more like the anglosphere countries.
To call this chart misleading might be the understatement of the decade.
The reason why Switzerland is on top is most likely because half the population at this point is “foreign born”.
Possible explanations:
1. Foreigners travel to Western Europe to commit crimes like burglary. That is less likely to happen to island nations like NZ, UK, OZ and Ireland. USA and Canada are much larger than any European countries, so travelling there to commit a crime is much less likely in probability aswell as in proportion to native population size. Sadly aside from Ireland none of the other island states of Europe like Malta, Cyprus, Greenland and Iceland are included – I’d assume they follow the example of the anglosphere countries for the given reasons.
2. You are much much more likely to get locked up if you don’t have residence in the country where you commited a crime, simply for the reason to ensure the trial can take place and courts can summon you. No residence = incarceration. There is a lot of travel between the European nations, probably more than between the USAs individual states, but I’m pretty sure in the USA it’s enough to have a residence within the USA to be able to get summoned to court instead of having a requirement to have residence in the state of the crime.
The chart makes it look like Switzerland and Greece have a major crime problem while US does not. We need to look at who is counted as locally born and crime rate per capita.
It looks almost as if
That won’t be the case for long in the UK. Although we do seem to punish natives far more harshly than foreigners.
Well well well.
I’d love to see what those numbers would be if we included indigenous people, cause I know that in Aus indigenous incarceration rates are shocking.
So? What does it says basically? What is conclusion
What is “foreign born”? Is that only first first generation immigrants?
Filter that data for Islamic faith and things come into focus. It is not an ethnic problem. It is a cultural one.
Source?
But you can’t say this, it’s racist!
/S /S /S
Once again – this is me saying “You cant compare the two numbers directly and all attempts to do so without explaining relativity – are political hitjobs”
Im also going to just state it now. Im not into hearing your weird AF explanations for how Im wrong or accussations about this and that. Its not my fault you failed statistical analysis 101 classes.
two things to consider.
What constitutes “foreign born” in this case
and
In RELATION TO WHAT
Do your research, I bet you’d be surprised how incarceration statistics are misrepresented for clout. Is there problems? Obviously, there’s always problems. Is that problem related to ethnicity? No Joe Gobbledigook, its not.
You can do the thing now. Putin loves it.
In France we don’t have that kind of stats, unless it has changed recently and I was not informed.