Trump Peace Plan impone all’Ucraina di accettare l’occupazione in Russia

F. Donny boy and his boss Putin.

What a surprise. These months have been marred by Trump, offering everything to Putin and asking anything to him. Plus, with pressure to Ukraine. The warning is clear, Trump wants to dismember Ukrain and give it to Russia and next will be EU!

Imagine calling yourself the greatest negotiator and your negotiating tactics are just coercion and pressure tactics while at the same time thinking you are the greatest.

Trumpet Don is so full of shit it’s actually unbelievable.

If anyone would have asked me if I would be able to predict politics becoming more aggressive in 2025, I wouldn’t be able to predict that.

I hate this Proboscis Monkey looking MF with a pation

Everyone here is going to be pissed off but in reality I think Europe is going to fold due to a general lack of mobilization and political will.

First, people should have realized from long ago, especially after the fiasco in Kursk, that Ukraine doesn’t have enough manpower to retake the occupied territories. The current attritional war is unsustainable for Ukraine, unless oil price would drop significantly for a long period or unless the whole NATO directly intervenes by sending actual ground troops. But with Trump in charge, that’s never going to happen, and the EU alone has no capacity to undertake an independent military operation in terms of logistics, transportation, and intelligence.

Second, it’s easy to just look at the headline and conclude that it’s surrender. But a major development here is that Russia has retreated from its maximalist demands, which include: formal recognition of all illegally occupied territories, including major cities that are still under Ukrainian control, like Zaporizhzhia and Kherson; “denazification” i.e. regime change to a puppet regime. Right now the proposals have been significantly watered down to the following:

1. “De jure” U.S. recognition of Russian control in Crimea.
2. “De-facto recognition” of the Russia’s occupation of nearly all of Luhansk oblast and the occupied portions of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
3. A promise that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. The text notes that Ukraine *could* become part of the European Union.
4. The lifting of sanctions imposed since 2014.
5. Enhanced economic cooperation with the U.S., particularly in the energy and industrial sectors.

“De facto recognition” is a meaningless term in international law, it has the same legal value as Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus or Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara. So the major concession for Putin here is de jure recognition, but that’s also only from the US. The US also previously unilaterally recognised Western Sahara as the Southern Provinces of Morocco and the Golan Heights as an integral part of Israel, but the rest of the world doesn’t.

In return, Ukraine will get:

1. Security guarantee involving an ad hoc group of European countries and potentially also like-minded non-European countries. In other words, there will be European peacekeeping troops in Ukraine (most likely involving the UK, France, and Turkey), and possibly also non-NATO countries
2. The return of the small part of Kharkiv oblast Russia has occupied.
3. Unimpeded passage of the Dnieper River, which runs along the front line in parts of southern Ukraine.

Of course Trump is a petty opportunist and is trying to get control of both the minerals and the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. But it’s not really a nightmare scenario as everyone thought, where the US would force Ukraine to hand over Zaporizhzhia and Kherson cities and formally recognise the 4 other oblasts as an integral part of Russia.

As for “aggressors being rewarded”, that’s the bitter reality of international relations: the big countries bully the small ones. The Yankees and the British were never punished for illegally invading Iraq.

Ah the famous art of a deal, lets give one side everything they want and bully the other side in submission, that definitely would not backfire in couple of years like the last time when appeasement with territorial concessions to militaristic expansionist regime which seen sovereign lands of other nations as its own historic territories has been tried. Trump is a truly over 9000D chess master

How do you propose that Ukraine gets back the territory that it has lost? It is a simple question.

The great deal maker, the deal being surrender. It really is easy to make such deals.

Unfortunately, I don’t see any other options now. Europe will not provide enough support and things are unsustainable as it is with American support, which will be stopped.

This would set up a scenario for WW3:

The occupied regions would be powder keg.

Russia attacks again in a few years or Ukraine gained so much intel & firepower to have the ability to take back the occupied areas.

This time NATO/EU joins the ukrainian side for good -> WW3

So that is not peace plan, it is giving Putin what he wants.

And he needed more than the 24 hours he promised he needed? What a jerk.

Nope, better off fighting.

Putin and Trump are all farts that will drop dead soon.

Ukraine doesn’t need Trump to agree to an occupation by Russia lmao

I mean this could Ukraine do on their own. Doesn’t need Trump’s “help” to capitulate.

Why does America think Ukraine needs their help with surrendering? Genuinely baffled

Yeh.. because appeasement has worked so well in the past

This is a “meant to be rejected proposal”, so the US can have an excuse to exit the conflict.

The Budapest Memorandum has already been 404. No one with an IQ over 80 thinks UA can accept this. Or that RU would accept it.

“The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant — the largest such facility in Europe — will be considered as Ukrainian territory but operated by the U.S., with electricity supplied to both Ukraine and Russia.”

lol, lmao even.

People on this sub acting as if this is any different from Western Europe. Remember when on the very first press conference when the invasion started Von Der Leyen said “we did not expect they would go beyond Donbas” implying they are ok with the current lines of combat to be frozen permanently. That was one he’ll of a Freudian slip. It wasn’t until Nordstream got shut down that they had to slightly change their stands.