Perché l’Ucraina preferirebbe combattere piuttosto che dare Crimea alla Russia

This is not about “giving in” this is about standing their ground and making people recognise their sovereignty, put this into perspective, you have a kid getting bullied at school. Your kid comes home and says a much older and bigger student is picking on him, you gonna tell him to just “give him what he wants”? Or you gonna tell him to kick that mf in his nuts and stamp on his head while he’s down? I know for sure what I’m saying.

Trump is a fucking moron, he doesn’t care about anyone, only revenue, as much as Russia put up this facade about being a superpower, I’ve got to give a tonne of respect to the Ukrainian armed forces, your giving them a hell of a run for their money.

Back to my original point, Russia have committed countless atrocities, indoctrinating children, raping and pillaging, and torturing are amongst these crimes. Weak men with weak will; will allow this continue, the ones with spines who want better security and safety for our descendants are of course the ones who step up. As an ex soldier I can tell you, not a single soldier wants to go to war, but they’re the ones who take a stand for what’s right.

Keep fighting Ukraine, as much as it doesn’t seem it, the real and sane world supports you, Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

I’m still ashamed that the world let ruZZia just take it in the first place. (2014?) That was pure shame on every civilized country.

Before making such proposals, the US should leave the UN.

# Why Ukraine would rather fight than give Crimea to Russia

As Trump pressurises Zelensky to recognise Moscow’s control over the peninsula, Kyiv fears this would set a dangerous precedent and further embolden Putin. *Marc Bennetts, Kyiv, Thursday April 24 2025, 12.35pm BST, The Times*

For President Trump, the solution to the war in Ukraine is extremely simple: Kyiv should recognise the realities on the ground and put aside its objections to the Kremlin’s land grabs. For many Ukrainians, though, Trump’s demands are not only unrealistic but a threat to the very existence of their country. As he pushes hard for a peace deal before his 100th day in office, Trump has taken a sledgehammer approach to diplomacy, threatening to walk away entirely from negotiations and attacking President Zelensky’s refusal to acknowledge Russian rule in Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula that was annexed in 2014.

“It’s inflammatory statements like Zelensky’s that makes it so difficult to settle this War,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform on Wednesday. He said that Crimea had been “lost years ago” and that its status was “not even a point of discussion”.

For Kyiv, the recognition of Russia’s seizure of Crimea would set a “dangerous precedent” and only encourage President Putin’s appetite for Ukrainian lands, according to Volodymyr Fesenko, a political analyst who is seen as close to Zelensky’s administration. Although Trump’s peace proposal has not been published by the White House, a draft copy that was seen by Axios, an American media outlet, says that it would involve Washington formally recognising Russian control over Crimea and acknowledging its de facto rule in four regions in the east and south of Ukraine. Fesenko said: “If we have to choose between recognising Crimea as Russian and the United States withdrawing from the negotiation process, then Ukraine is more likely to be prepared for the US to pull out of the talks. For Ukraine, this is the lesser of two evils.

“Of course, these are potential risks for Ukraine in this. But we must understand that the risk of recognising [Russian control of] Crimea is much greater and more long-term than the risk of the United States withdrawing from the negotiation process. Crimea is a very serious and very fundamental issue for us. If the Americans agree to this, then after some time Putin will almost inevitably demand recognition of the rest of the annexed territories.”

In his Truth Social post, Trump said that Zelensky was not being asked to recognise Crimea as Russian territory. However, he suggested that he expected some kind of commitment from Zelensky that Ukraine would no longer challenge the Kremlin’s rule over the peninsula, a stunningly beautiful region where Soviet leaders once took their holidays. “If he wants Crimea, why didn’t they fight for it 11 years ago when it was handed over to Russia without a shot being fired?” Trump wrote. He also appeared to repeat one of Putin’s justifications for seizing Crimea, writing that it had been home to Russian submarine bases “for many years”.

Putin has said that Russia was forced to seize Crimea to prevent Sevastopol, the home of its Black Sea fleet, from falling under Nato’s control after a pro-western government came to power in Kyiv in 2014.

I asked Copilot about this, in relation to historical presedence of the Welles Declaration of 1940:

>The Welles Declaration of 1940 was a pivotal diplomatic statement by the United States, refusing to recognize the Soviet Union’s annexation of the Baltic states—Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. This policy of non-recognition lasted for five decades and played a crucial role in enabling the Baltic states to maintain their diplomatic missions and financial assets during Soviet occupation. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the declaration’s legacy helped the Baltic states re-establish their independence and gain international recognition.

>In the context of Crimea, the Welles Declaration serves as a historical precedent for the principle of non-recognition of territorial changes achieved through force. It underscores the importance of maintaining international norms and could influence negotiations regarding Crimea’s status by highlighting the long-term impact of such policies on territorial disputes and sovereignty.

If you disregard the monumental stupidity of ceding territory for what constitutes to a pinky swear for russia to end their aggression on this condition alone, it really is a very dangerous precedent to set for any future territorial wars, global peace, the rules based order and international laws.

And it is quite obvious to anyone who knows putins goals, has any understanding of russian ambitions and history, that this will only strengthen russia so they can restart a bigger war in a few years. This should not be allowed to be a short term vain political win for a geriatric reality-star who will die in a few years anyway.

It is important to note that Zelensky cannot give land away. It is against the constitution. The title suggests that it is somehow possible.

Because it’s not Russias!

Yes it would set the same “precedent” as if someone invaded Wales and demanded that the UK surrender it permanently. What would the Times have to say about that?

In other words, it’s not about “precedent,” you nitwits. It’s about sovereignty. You don’t give up pieces of your own country just because someone says you have to. That’s the definition of “country.”

The world — very much including Russia — universally recognized Ukraine’s borders as a sovereign, fully independent nation over 30 years ago. There were no disputes, no disagreements, no unresolved territorial claims. It was a settled matter.

So Zelensky’s reason for not acquiescing to Russian demands for Crimea is very simple. Because it’s not part of Russia. The Russian state and the Ukrainian state both came into existence around these borders. There is no prior Russian claim to Crimea that matters, any more than there is a prior Turkish claim or a prior anyone else’s claim that matters. All that matters are the borders from when the countries were both established and recognized, in the early 1990s.

By arguing otherwise, or implying that there is some weird stubborn thing going on with Zelensky, Putin’s tools betray themselves ever more as the blunt objects that they are.

Goddamn it’s so frustrating, all these empty heads in the media, you just need to open a goddamn book and look at history. How many times do we have to explain it to you – infinity, because you never want to listen, you never want to learn, you just want to repeat the same brain dead russian narratives because it’s easier to parrot rather than to open your eyes and accept the bitter truth: a great war, the third world war, is upon you.

In the west you may not see the guns and the explosions today, but as surely as people are being abducted in broad daylight and lists being made to send them all to concentration camps in foreign lands, the war has come to you. You could have stopped it in the first few days if NATO had closed the skies as had been asked for, if you had kicked russia out of SWIFT, if you had provided the air support, or literally any repercussions for endless breaches of ceasefires, deliberate attacks on civilians, monumental war crimes like the destruction of Kakhova dam, atrocities in Bucha and Mariupol – and more – the list goes on.

You had countless opportunities to stop it but you sat on your hands because you were afraid to offend the evil man doing bad things that he might get angry at you. But you forgot that you are a part of this world and sooner or later if nothing is done it will become your turn.

It is insane to me that people seriously think that this is just a disagreement over territory, and this dribbling shit article that talks about Crimea being beautiful and that russian leaders took a holiday there is just the height of madness.

But I’ll say it again. Actually I’ll just quote a better wiser man who saw this same reality unfold before him 70 years ago.

Appeasement has never worked.

**Sir Winston Churchill – “Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last.”**

But in the end if you do not stop the crocodile, you’ll be eaten too. Stop sitting on your hands and use them to throttle the crocodile.

Surrender Crimea, even if you haven’t controlled it for over a decade, will immediately be followed up with ‘you have that up, why not the rest?’

It’s a slippery slope. And as others have said, Putin’s – and Trump’s – word is worthless. Putin will be back for more in time.